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Complicated means

Conversations and Morning Walks

1976 Conversations and Morning Walks

Complicated means it is made in different parts with matter, that's all. But it cannot work without the electric power.
Room Conversation With Scientists -- July 6, 1976, Washington, D.C.:

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Now my point, coming to this complex form, now matter it is understood easily in terms of science, when matter is associated with life, then comparing this...

Prabhupāda: Then the matter works. Otherwise it has no working capacity. Yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat (BG 7.5). The material world is working on account of the presence of the spirit soul.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: From here, from this experience, we are extending that the spiritual world is, spirit itself is...

Prabhupāda: It's different from material world.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Complex.

Prabhupāda: It has nothing to do with the material world.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: But, Śrīla Prabhupāda, is this valid to conclude that spirit, spiritual world, or life is very complex?

Prabhupāda: Not complex, it is simply spirit. In the material world it is complex. In the spiritual world, it is simple.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Is it all right? Is it understood?

Sadāpūta: Spirit means completely different from matter.

Rūpānuga: The whole idea is that the matter, where it's not touched by spirit, it's not very complicated. When there's life, then you have such a complication like a body. The human body is very complicated because life is there. Without life...

Prabhupāda: No, just like a machine, it can be complicated. But as soon as you put the plug, gada-gada-gada-gada comes. But the electricity is not complicated, the machine is complicated.

Rūpānuga: So it doesn't work unless there is some....

Prabhupāda: Without electricity it does not work. But the machine is complicated, not the electricity.

Rūpānuga: One thing is that the machine, in this example, gets complicated or it becomes...

Prabhupāda: Complicated means it is made in different parts with matter, that's all. But it cannot work without the electric power.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: So the conclusion is that matter, when touched by life or spirit, actually it becomes complicated.

Prabhupāda: Not complicated, it is already complicated. It works.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: No, matter itself is not complicated. Matter itself is not complicated.

Prabhupāda: Yes, complicated. When they are combined together.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Even if it is complicated, this matter itself touched by life is more complicated.

Prabhupāda: No.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, it is.

Prabhupāda: Just like electricity. Electricity, when it is connected with the machine, it works. The machine is complicated.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: But it could be said that the machine is actually independent of the electricity.

Prabhupāda: No, how it is independent? Without electricity it has no value.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: It has no value, but it's still existing.

Prabhupāda: Existing, that is valuable?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: But machine is touched by a person. So that makes a...

Prabhupāda: No, no. That is an example, that here is electricity, power, and here is machine. The machine is complicated. The electricity is not complicated.

Hari-śauri: But if there's no electricity, then there's no need for a complicated machine.

Prabhupāda: You can see it is complicated. Even a typewriter machine, it is complicated.

Hari-śauri: Then it's only complicated because it needs to be so so that it can take the energy for running it.

Prabhupāda: That is another thing, without electric, without energy, it cannot work, but the thing itself is complicated.

Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Can I ask one question? If life is based on the desires of the living entities, and as you were mentioning that the material energy forms so many complex combinations, the material body is so complex, does that mean that the living entity is very much entangled?

Prabhupāda: If you analyze your body, so many complications. But without life it is all dead matter.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, that is why we are concluding that matter, when it is associated with life, it is very complex.

Prabhupāda: No, no. Without matter, it is complex.

Rūpānuga: Without life.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Without life it's more complex, matter?

Prabhupāda: Yes, the same, the matter is the same.

Page Title:Complicated means
Compiler:Rishab
Created:31 of Mar, 2012
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