Prabhupāda: Yes. So kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam (SB 1.3.28). Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam.
Indian man (2): Śivo 'ham. Śivo 'ham.
Prabhupāda: Śivo 'ham is another thing.
Indian man (2): No, that is also there, you see. You can't forget that... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...when require first of all. If you... (Hindi) Interpretation when required, when you cannot understand. But if you understand, why should you interpret?
Indian man (2): No, he has interpreted.
Prabhupāda: No, no, first of all, let us understand where interpretation is required.
Dr. Patel: When there is a difficulty in understanding.
Prabhupāda: Yes. No. When there is difficulty in understanding. But when there is no difficulty in understanding, then why there is interpretation? (break) ...by Kṛṣṇa in the Eleventh Chapter, where is the difficulty to understand?
(break) There is no need of interpretation. Now, suppose Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī mām (BG 18.65).
Indian man (2): Then why these ācāryas have interpretated Gītā?
Prabhupāda: No, no, real ācārya will not interpret. The one who is false ācārya, he will interpret.
Indian man (2): So Śaṅkarācārya was not a false ācārya. He has interpreted Gītā. He has got a big bhāṣya of Gītā. Rāmānujācārya has got a big bhāṣya of Gītā. (break)
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)
Dr. Patel: This is the real thing, what the Vedas say, that even though, after studying all and after you think that you are realized, though in keno... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...wasting your time.
Dr. Patel: No, we are not wasting our time. Still I may tell you sir, that we are not wasting our time.
Prabhupāda: No, if you read, then why you are wasting time?
Dr. Patel: This is my interpretation. (break)
Prabhupāda: No, no. I am not realized. No, no, no. No, no, no. I have realized... (break) ...should stop discussing Bhagavad-gītā because Bhagavad-gītā begins, evaṁ paramparā.
Indian man (2): (shouting unintelligibly)
Prabhupāda: No, no. (break) ...as the ācārya. And we have to accept.
Dr. Patel: What I mean to say that realized people don't criticize because final proof nobody knows. (break)
Prabhupāda: Sarvārhanam acyutejyā. Simply by worshiping Kṛṣṇa, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru (BG 18.65), you can worship everyone. There is no need of separately worshiping the five devatās. There is no need.
Girirāja: (reads synonyms for Bg. 11.13) "Translation: At that time Arjuna could see in the universal form of the Lord the unlimited expansions of the universe situated in one place although divided into many, many thousands."
Prabhupāda: Yes. So, although... Now, what is important? The many, many thousands universes divided into varieties of opulences, that is important or Kṛṣṇa important?
Dr. Patel: Kṛṣṇa is important.
Prabhupāda: That's it.
Dr. Patel: The whole thing was ekāṁśena sthito jagat.
Prabhupāda: That is being explained.
Dr. Patel: Shall I go further?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
- tataḥ sa vismayāviṣṭo
- hṛṣṭa-romā dhanañjayaḥ
- praṇamya śirasā devaṁ
- kṛtāñjalir abhāṣata
- He got frightened.
Girirāja: (reads synonyms) "Translation: Then, bewildered and astonished, his hair standing on end, Arjuna began to pray with folded hands, offering obeisances to the Supreme Lord."
Dr. Patel: He was frightened, seeing that. Shall I read further, arjuna uvāca?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Now, why he became frightened?
Dr. Patel: On seeing such a huge, I mean, unbelievable things perhaps by ordinary human being. In a one place of Kṛṣṇa's. (indistinct) Right?
Indian man (2): He realized his insignificance because of Lord Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.
Dr. Patel:
- arjuna uvāca
- paśyāmi devāṁs tava deva dehe
- sarvāṁs tathā bhūta-viśeṣa-saṅghān
- brahmāṇam īśaṁ kamalāsana-stham
- ṛṣīṁś ca sarvān uragāṁś ca divyān
Prabhupāda: Now, he is beginning from the three deities of creation: Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśvara.
