Hayagrīva: So these desires are channelled so to speak. They are redirected and they are directed toward Kṛṣṇa.
Journalist: Well, I understand that, but I'm saying is it efficacious? Does it work?
Hayagrīva: Yes, it works. It works. But you have to stick with it. It can be very difficult, especially at first, but it works. You have to resolve to make it work. You have to want it to work.
Journalist: Now, I want to understand this thoroughly. In other words, it's nothing that you feel that you're giving up.
Hayagrīva: No, it's that when you see something better...
Journalist: That's what I'm... That's what I mean. That's...
Prabhupāda: Yes. You are accepting something better.
Journalist: Better. That's, yes. Not by just biting your tongue or your lip saying, "I won't touch it, I won't touch it." There is a substitute.
Hayagrīva: You have a capacity for enjoyment, and you're not going to give up something... It's very human not to give up something unless you have something better. So the case is that you have to get something better than what you want to give up...
Prabhupāda: Yes.