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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1977]]
[[Category:Questions On... Material Creation, Universe]]
[[Category:Questions On... Spirit Soul]]
[[Category:Introductory-level Questions]]
[[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Morning Walks, 1966 - 1977]]
[[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Morning Walks, 1977]]
[[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - in India, Bhuvanesvara]]

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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">Force because ātmā is independent. He can live in the spiritual world or in the material world as he likes.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- February 1, 1977, Bhuvanesvara|Morning Walk -- February 1, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: We are bringing this law of nature which is a higher order law. (break)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...thousandth part of the top tip of the hair. That is also given. Keśāgra-śata-bhāgasya śatadhā ([[Vanisource:CC Madhya 19.140|CC Madhya 19.140]]). In the Upaniṣads there is. The dimension of the ātmā is given. That small particle, atomic, is so powerful. And what about the Supreme?</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: They ask, "What is the force that combined matter and the ātmā, matter and life, matter and the jīva or ātmā? What is the force behind it?"</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Force because ātmā is independent. He can live in the spiritual world or in the material world as he likes.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: But is not correct, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that Paramātmā is the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Paramātmā is...</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: ...is behind.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, behind, yes. He's the origin of ātmā. Mamaivāṁśa. Kṛṣṇa said, "This ātmā is my small particle part." He says that. So Paramātmā is the origin, and these are fragmental parts of Paramātmā.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: That makes our statement very valid.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Ātmā... Super-ātmā is the source of ātmā.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: They can explain everything, all..., but cannot explain by science.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is the Bhagavad-gītā, Seventh Chapter, bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ bhinnā me prakṛtir aṣṭadhā: ([[Vanisource:BG 7.4 (1972)|BG 7.4]]) "They are also My energy, and beyond this, there is superior energy." Jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bāho ([[Vanisource:BG 7.5 (1972)|BG 7.5]]). Both of them, energies, the material elements and the spiritual element, both of them are different energy of the supreme ātmā. So one is superior; another is inferior. Because we are superior, we are controlling the inferior energy, and by such control, from inferior energy matter, we have created this motor car. Therefore I am superior.</p>
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