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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1976]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1976 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1976 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">If you want real happiness.... That I have already explained. Real happiness—to become free from the natural material laws, birth, death, old age and disease. This is real happiness. Suppose you are arranging for your happiness, and all of a sudden death comes. Then where is happiness? So how you can check? So the real impediment of our happiness is stated: birth, death, old age and disease.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- April 20, 1976, Melbourne|Room Conversation -- April 20, 1976, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Minimum. Sometimes we go to fifty thousand dollars.</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: A day?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Day. All over the world.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Devotees are working very hard to spread this consciousness, knowledge. (background talking)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Religious book, selling daily so much, huge amount, that is unique in the history.</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: Are they sold mainly in the Western countries?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: All over the world. Especially in Europe, America.</p>
<p>Hariśauri: We even had some book orders just recently from Russia.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. They are also inquiring.</p>
<p>Guru-kṛpā: Every university in America takes complete book. Every book Śrīla Prabhupāda writes, there is standing order. Oxford, Princeton, Harvard, UCLA, University of California...</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: All of the leading professors also have written very favorable reviews, citing these...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Where is that book, Professor Judah's book? Hare Krishna and Counterculture.</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: Oh, yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You have read that?</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: No, I haven't.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, he has written big book, Professor Judah. He has very much appreciated. And he has given statistics and everything, very scholarly book. Hare Krishna and Counterculture.</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: Ah, yes. Yes, I have read it. (background conversation-about filming? Machine makes whirring sound)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is breathing? (more background conversation, machines whirring, etc.)</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: Your Divine Grace, what prompted you to start the Kṛṣṇa movement?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Well, the scientists make research. One does wrong thing to do that. So our process is to carry out the order of the higher authorities. So my Guru Mahārāja, my spiritual master, asked me to do this. Therefore...</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: But you led a rather normal life—before this you were married. You were a businessman.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: What made you change suddenly?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: By this association. Just like we are holding meeting, and so many boys, girls, they come. If somebody is capturing the idea, he makes further progress.</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: What was it that was different about your way of thinking?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is not my way of thinking; it is nobody's way of thinking; it is the natural way of life. Just like you eat. It is not a way of thinking. It is natural demand of the body.</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: Well, why is it, can I ask, perhaps, that the Kṛṣṇa movement is the natural way of living against, say, other religions, other faiths?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is not the question of religion or faith. It is the necessity. This already I have said, that you are hungry, and you require some food. It is not a way of thinking, that "I am hungry. I require..." It is the urge. You are hungry, and you require to eat. Similarly, people are making so many arrangements to become happy. So this is also another way, but this is the right way.</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: You have now thousands and thousands of devotees all around the world.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: A lot of them are very young people coming into the movement. Do you think they really understand what they're going into when they join the Kṛṣṇa movement?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So if, if.... At least they understand something about it. Otherwise how they are sticking to this movement? They are intelligent boys. They are coming from respectable family, educated. Why they should go after me unless they have got something? That you can ask them. There are so many. All of them are young men.</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: They're forced to lead a very spartan way of life, though, aren't they? Why is this necessary?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: If you want real happiness.... That I have already explained. Real happiness—to become free from the natural material laws, birth, death, old age and disease. This is real happiness. Suppose you are arranging for your happiness, and all of a sudden death comes. Then where is happiness? So how you can check? So the real impediment of our happiness is stated: birth, death, old age and disease. So if you want real happiness, then you have to first of all make arrangement that you'll not die or you'll not take birth, you'll not become old, you'll not be diseased. Just like insurance. They make insurance of life. So where is your insurance for these things? You do not want to die, but you are forced to die. Where is insurance? This is insurance, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: Insurance for what?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No more.... No more death, no more birth, no more old age, no more disease. This is insurance. And therefore it is the primary necessity for becoming happy. Otherwise you have made arrangement very nicely, and if all of a sudden you die, then where is your happiness?</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: Do you think the type of life that your devotees must lead...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Carol Jarvis: ...is in fact a happy one, getting up very early in the morning...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, it is. It is. Just like if you are suffering from some ailments, so you have to follow some rules and regulation so that you may be cured. Do the doctor not prescribe so many things, that "You don't eat like this. You don't do this. You do this"? There are so many don't's and do's. So if you really want to become happy, you have to follow some don't's and do's.</p>
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