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| <div class="heading">If he is chanting without offense, then it is all right, but if he is committing offenses, it will not be effective. There are ten kinds of offenses. Whether he is strictly offenseless? Then it is all right. If he is offender, then it will not be fruitful. It will be fruitful; it will take long time because first of all you have to become offenseless. | | <div class="heading">If he is chanting without offense, then it is all right, but if he is committing offenses, it will not be effective. There are ten kinds of offenses. Whether he is strictly offenseless? Then it is all right. If he is offender, then it will not be fruitful. It will be fruitful; it will take long time because first of all you have to become offenseless. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- February 3, 1975, Hawaii|Morning Walk -- February 3, 1975, Hawaii]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Rāmeśvara: Many devotees who have moved outside of the temple are feeling that if they just continue to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, they can go back to the spiritual world, but they are not giving up their independence.</p> | | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- February 3, 1975, Hawaii|Morning Walk -- February 3, 1975, Hawaii]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Rāmeśvara: I have heard there is a philosophy here amongst some of the devotees that if you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, you can go back to the spiritual world even if you do not give up your independence.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: What is that?</p> |
| | <p>Rāmeśvara: Many devotees who have moved outside of the temple are feeling that if they just continue to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, they can go back to the spiritual world, but they are not giving up their independence.</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: So? What is your philosophy?</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: So? What is your philosophy?</p> |
| <p>Rāmeśvara: Well, it seems somewhat hypocritical because chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa means you are praying to Kṛṣṇa to please be engaged eternally in His service and to become completely dependent on Him. So we try to explain like that. And to follow all the teachings and instructions, attending maṅgala āratik and morning and evening class.</p> | | <p>Rāmeśvara: Well, it seems somewhat hypocritical because chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa means you are praying to Kṛṣṇa to please be engaged eternally in His service and to become completely dependent on Him. So we try to explain like that. And to follow all the teachings and instructions, attending maṅgala āratik and morning and evening class.</p> |
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| <p>Devotee (3): Śrīla Prabhupāda, it's very difficult to control my mind when I chant. It wanders.</p> | | <p>Devotee (3): Śrīla Prabhupāda, it's very difficult to control my mind when I chant. It wanders.</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: So what is the controlling of mind? You have to chant and hear, that's all. You have to chant with your tongue, and the sound you hear, that's all. What is the question of mind?</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: So what is the controlling of mind? You have to chant and hear, that's all. You have to chant with your tongue, and the sound you hear, that's all. What is the question of mind?</p> |
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| | <div id="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1976 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1976 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3> |
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| | <div id="MorningWalkMay151976Honolulu_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="100" link="Morning Walk -- May 15, 1976, Honolulu" link_text="Morning Walk -- May 15, 1976, Honolulu"> |
| | <div class="heading">And those who are too sinful, they cannot chant...these ten kinds of offenses. |
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| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 15, 1976, Honolulu|Morning Walk -- May 15, 1976, Honolulu]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Rādhāvallabha: They say, "You cannot be successful unless you accept Jesus Christ like us." But they were smoking.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: We accept. Rather, you do not accept. Jesus Christ said "Thou shall not kill." We strictly observe that, but you kill. You are not a Christian.</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri: "But that's just an ideal, the Ten Commandments. You're not expected to follow."</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No, that is your explanation. That is your concoction. (break) ...take it. As soon as you disobey Ten Commandments, you are not a Christian. You are heathen. (break) And the thing is that religious faith should not be discussed on philosophy because everyone has got some, his own concocted faith. That is not philosophy. Faith is different. "I believe," "You believe," "I do not believe"—that is not philosophy. (break) ...philosophy in Bhagavad-gītā that asmin dehe.... Dehino 'smin yathā dehe ([[Vanisource:BG 2.13 (1972)|BG 2.13]]), there is soul. This is philosophy. Religion without philosophy is sentiment, and philosophy without religion is mental concoction. So both of them should be combined. Then it is perfect.</p> |
| | <p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: (break) ...can be given, though, that man's logic is so tiny, pea brain, and God's logic is so great, so how can actually man discuss the logic of God?</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p> |
| | <p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: The argument is given that God is infinitely great.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Then don't discuss. Sleep. If you cannot understand God's logic and God's philosophy, then don't discuss. Stop discuss.</p> |
| | <p>Rādhāvallabha: Jewish people say that you can't chant the name of God because it is too sacred.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes, too sacred, that's.... Actually that's a fact. And those who are too sinful, they cannot chant. (break) ...these ten kinds of offenses.</p> |
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| | <div id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3> |
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| | <div id="RoomConversationWithArtistsandAboutBTGFebruary251977Mayapura_0" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="105" link="Room Conversation With Artists and About BTG -- February 25, 1977, Mayapura" link_text="Room Conversation With Artists and About BTG -- February 25, 1977, Mayapura"> |
| | <div class="heading">They may chant, but they must understand that the chanting process, that will be more effective. That they must know. Chanting is open. Anyone can chant, but they must know it, that "If I chant in the proper process, then it will be effective." |
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| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation With Artists and About BTG -- February 25, 1977, Mayapura|Room Conversation With Artists and About BTG -- February 25, 1977, Mayapura]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hari-śauri: If you advertise the mahā-mantra gives some material benefit, isn't that an offense?</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Then that is aparādha.</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri: Yes.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: That is aparādha.</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri: One of the ten offenses.</p> |
| | <p>Rāmeśvara: 'Cause sometimes when we interview these people who are chanting, they speak from their own realization, and it is not exactly the version of Śukadeva Gosvāmī, it is not..., but it is their own realization, whatever little bit they have realized.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No, no. They may chant, but they must understand that the chanting process, that will be more effective. That they must know. Chanting is open. Anyone can chant, but they must know it, that "If I chant in the proper process, then it will be effective."</p> |
| | <p>Rāmeśvara: It must be clear to them that the goal is love of God, not something material.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Premā pum-artho mahān. That is wanted. There is one word by Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, nāmākṣara bahir haya nāma nāhi haya: "The... Simply the alphabets are coming, but that is not nāma." Nāmākṣara, Hare Kṛṣṇa, the alphabets, are coming out, but it is not the holy name.</p> |
| | <p>Rāmeśvara: Suppose someone says that Caitanya Mahāprabhu has given freely this holy name with no rules and regulations... (break)</p> |
| | <p>Brahmānanda: We wanted to make a distinction that a nondevotee chanting is different from when a pure devotee chants.</p> |
| | <p>Rāmeśvara: So that distinction should be there.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p> |
| | <p>Rāmeśvara: We were thinking that somehow this magazine...</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: No, another thing, it is aparādha... Nāmno balād yasya hi pāpa-buddhiḥ. Unless he is in the process he'll think, "I am chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, so whatever sinful activities I am..., it will be controlled."</p> |
| | <p>Brahmānanda: That's the worst offense.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That is very bad offense.</p> |
| | <p>Hari-śauri: So we're actually advertising the process of devotional service, not just simply haphazard chanting.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: First of all we are chanting just to make him little attracted. Ādau śraddhā.</p> |
| | <p>Rāmeśvara: Just to popularize it.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that's it. Then, if the heart is little cleansed, then they will understand. It will be effective, but when it is done properly it will give real effect. Outsider, those who are chanting, we don't discourage him.</p> |
| | <p>Rāmeśvara: We want then to chant more.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. But we must... They must know the science also.</p> |
| | <p>Rāmeśvara: Just like this Alice Coltrane. She has done her small part. She made this record album with Govinda Jaya Jaya and Hare Kṛṣṇa.</p> |
| | <p>Prabhupāda: That is... That will be a good thing. But when he (she) does it properly it will be more effective, because there is... If one does not chant in the process, then gradually it degrades. The offense will increase. There is chance.</p> |
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| | <div id="EveningDarsanaMay131977Hrishikesh_1" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="169" link="Evening Darsana -- May 13, 1977, Hrishikesh" link_text="Evening Darsana -- May 13, 1977, Hrishikesh"> |
| | <div class="heading">There are ten kinds of offenses. So in the beginning there may be offenses. It doesn't matter. It will be rectified. |
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| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Evening Darsana -- May 13, 1977, Hrishikesh|Evening Darsana -- May 13, 1977, Hrishikesh]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: So all these persons who are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa according to the prescribed rules and regulations, without any offense... There are ten kinds of offenses. So in the beginning there may be offenses. It doesn't matter. It will be rectified. Offenseless chanting means mukti, and then pure chanting means love of Godhead. There are three stages. In the beginning, when one begins chanting, it is not pure. There are so many offenses. But chanting, chanting, the offenses become purified. Offenseless chanting is not purified completely, but it is offenseless. So offenseless chanting makes one liberated, and then pure chanting makes one lover of God. This is the process. So chanting is definite mystic power. Caitanya Mahāprabhu has recommended, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam: ([[Vanisource:CC Antya 20.12|CC Antya 20.12]]) "By chanting, your heart becomes purified."</p> |
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