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== Conversations and Morning Walks ==
<div id="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1973 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1973 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
 
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=== 1973 Conversations and Morning Walks ===
<div id="MorningWalkDecember161973LosAngeles_1" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="102" link="Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles">
 
<div class="heading">Because they are not leader, perfect leader. With imperfect knowledge they become leader.
<span class="q_heading">'''Svarūpa Dāmodara: I've noticed that there is a misunderstanding in the definition of living and the non-living among the scientific communities.'''</span>
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: (break) ...scientific community. It changes so often...</p>
<span class="CON-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- May 12, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- May 12, 1973, Los Angeles]]:'''
<p>Prabhupāda: Because they are not leader, perfect leader. With imperfect knowledge they become leader. Therefore we... Our process is to accept a leader who is perfect. That is our process. And the others, fools, they accept a leader who is not perfect. But either we or they, they must accept a leader. The only difference is that we accept the perfect leader and they accept the imperfect leader. Therefore they are cheated.</p>
 
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Svarūpa Dāmodara: I've noticed that there is a misunderstanding in the definition of living and the non-living among the scientific communities.
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
Prabhupāda: What is their definition?
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<div id="RoomConversationJune261975LosAngeles_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="114" link="Room Conversation -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles" link_text="Room Conversation -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles">
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They are saying that living beings can reproduce and can grow and can make...
<div class="heading">So let them take it and throw out, don't read it. That's all.
 
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Prabhupāda: Yes, that we say. That we also say.
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles|Room Conversation -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Devotee (2): We're just trying to understand it because we've never dealt with Purāṇas before. We have been your disciples. But when we present this to the scientific community, because you have said that if one word is wrong, the whole philosophy is wrong, so they will say to us...</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: So let them take it and throw out, don't read it. That's all.</p>
Svarūpa Dāmodara: But there are also non-living matters like crystals. They can grow. We can divide them, and it will reproduce like...
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Prabhupāda: No, without living entity within, nothing can grow.</span>
<div id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="MorningConversationApril191977Bombay_0" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="146" link="Morning Conversation -- April 19, 1977, Bombay" link_text="Morning Conversation -- April 19, 1977, Bombay">
<div class="heading">You should stop this, showing this. It may not be a laughing matter.
</div>
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Conversation -- April 19, 1977, Bombay|Morning Conversation -- April 19, 1977, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Girirāja: Many attractive photos to appeal to the public taste, but less philosophy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: We want now philosophy and science.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: We can make a better one.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Much better...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So you should stop this, showing this. It may not be a laughing matter.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: For the general public, do you think that they'll get anything from it?</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: No. It may be of little use for these common people, just for women, children, that, for these. But personally I feel that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It will not...</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: ...the scientific community, they'll make fun of this.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then don't show it.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about in the universities, the students?</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: University students?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They are... University students, they may be educated. They'll also make a... Don't make it a laughing stock.</p>
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<div id="TalkwithSvarupaDamodaraJune201977Vrndavana_1" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="191" link="Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- June 20, 1977, Vrndavana" link_text="Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- June 20, 1977, Vrndavana">
<div class="heading">They invented stories for going to the moon planet.
</div>
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- June 20, 1977, Vrndavana|Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- June 20, 1977, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: I saw a newsletter issued by the International Society for the Study of the Origin of Life from Chemicals. They just had an international meeting in Japan this April, and I am a member, so they send me a newsletter, national newsletter. They have interesting schemes. The next meeting is in 1981 in Israel. I was actually thinking of presenting a paper in the last meeting, but time was little short for us. So we are thinking of presenting papers in that international meeting. It is a whole scientific community all over. So I thought it will be very interesting to present our viewpoint and make it very strong. We are very small in number, but our thoughts will be very challenging to all of them, especially mathematics and physical chemistry together. They also have a journal, the Journal of the Origin of Life, and there the write only about chemicals. Everything is just like a story. So we make it a fairy tale, the molecular fairy tale, and it's very appropriate. All are stories.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They invented stories for going to the moon planet.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yeah, they're making stories about everything.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: A small toy sputnik, background, a big picture, and photograph.</p>
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<div id="TalkwithSvarupaDamodaraJune201977Vrndavana_2" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="191" link="Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- June 20, 1977, Vrndavana" link_text="Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- June 20, 1977, Vrndavana">
<div class="heading">Therefore in the society there must be qualified brāhmaṇa. The all rascals, śūdras, professors...
</div>
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- June 20, 1977, Vrndavana|Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- June 20, 1977, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: The mental attitude of the inquirer or the seeker in this bhakti process, you also said, it plays a very important role in understanding this relationship between the jīva, or individual life, ātmā, and Paramātmā, these two relationships. So we proposed that since it is based on psychological interactions, willing, feeling and the thinking, so the attitude should be humble and it should not be arrogant, and it should feel the limitations. Actually we try to bring all the brahminical qualities in order to study this bhakti-yoga in a scientific manner, and we presented like that, briefly, in a scientific community, and it was mildly accepted. They were just thinking that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore in the society there must be qualified brāhmaṇa. The all rascals, śūdras, professors...</p>
</div>
</div>
<div id="RoomConversationWithMadhudvisaandothersAugust171977Vrndavana_3" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="235" link="Room Conversation With Madhudvisa and others -- August 17, 1977, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation With Madhudvisa and others -- August 17, 1977, Vrndavana">
<div class="heading">Rascal, where is your science?
</div>
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation With Madhudvisa and others -- August 17, 1977, Vrndavana|Room Conversation With Madhudvisa and others -- August 17, 1977, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Practically the scientific community is going to realize that you're their most..., biggest opposition. They're going to come to appreciate that because you're the only one, Śrīla Prabhupāda, who has dared to challenge all of these scientists. And as your representatives, when they see what we're...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Because they... Nowadays people say "We don't want any sentiment, religious. We want science." Rascal, where is your science?</p>
</div>
</div>
<div id="RoomConversationOctober131977Vrndavana_4" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="248" link="Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana">
<div class="heading">With this cooperation, this institution will be very prestigious. So if it is possible, organize. But don't overburden.
</div>
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana|Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: So he didn't say anything specifically, but he said he would be very happy to help us in establishing a center there. He's very favorable to our philosophy, and he invited me to his own home, and we discussed at great length about the philosophy that we are trying to present in the scientific community, and he feels that it's very genuine and we should... They should help us to push forward.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So with this cooperation, this institution will be very prestigious. So if it is possible, organize. But don't overburden.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is that overburden?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Other business may not suffer.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div id="RoomConversationOctober131977Vrndavana_5" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="248" link="Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana">
<div class="heading">We want that they should be interested.
</div>
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana|Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Svarūpa Dāmodara: Round-table conference. There will be other scientists from Delhi, like D. S. Kotari. D. S. Kotari is the ex-chairman of University Grants Commission. He's a very well known physicist. He's a very interested... I think he's the most interested in India in our field. He's retired and very respected. All Indian scientific community... Actually, this was his idea, that we set up a round-table conference in Indian National Science Academy. So we agreed to that. We'll have some sort of a debating form. So I'll bring all our members, and we'll have conference in Delhi. Also Krishnamurti... He's the director of television in Delhi. He's going to make some arrangement for us after the conference for the television appearance in New Delhi. Also most of the schools, they want us come and speak on the same topics that we are organizing here.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: We want that they should be interested.</p>
</div>
</div>
<div id="Correspondence" class="section" sec_index="6" parent="compilation" text="Correspondence"><h2>Correspondence</h2>
</div>
<div id="1977_Correspondence" class="sub_section" sec_index="12" parent="Correspondence" text="1977 Correspondence"><h3>1977 Correspondence</h3>
</div>
<div id="LettertoRamesvaraBombay2April1977_0" class="quote" parent="1977_Correspondence" book="Let" index="81" link="Letter to Ramesvara -- Bombay 2 April, 1977" link_text="Letter to Ramesvara -- Bombay 2 April, 1977">
<div class="heading">Svarupa Damodara has received very good response here in India from the scientific community and there is good hope that many others will join him.
</div>
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Letter to Ramesvara -- Bombay 2 April, 1977|Letter to Ramesvara -- Bombay 2 April, 1977]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Now we are forming scientists party and we shall try with their help to establish Krishna consciousness as the genuine scientific movement of the world exposing the so-called scientists as nothing but speculators. Svarupa Damodara has received very good response here in India from the scientific community and there is good hope that many others will join him. He is returning to America for preparing some publications and when these are completed I have asked him to tour vigorously throughout the world lecturing with his other colleagues at all major institutions and universities. He has drawn up a budget of immediate needs, a copy of which is enclosed and I immediately sanction this amount. Whatever expenditure he requires supply him immediately from the BBT. I am prepared to give $10,000 or more monthly if required to finance this most important preaching program. So whatever money Svarupa Damodara needs must be supplied monthly and he will send you accounts.</p>
</div>
</div>
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Latest revision as of 16:06, 24 February 2013

Conversations and Morning Walks

1973 Conversations and Morning Walks

Because they are not leader, perfect leader. With imperfect knowledge they become leader.
Morning Walk -- December 16, 1973, Los Angeles:

Svarūpa Dāmodara: (break) ...scientific community. It changes so often...

Prabhupāda: Because they are not leader, perfect leader. With imperfect knowledge they become leader. Therefore we... Our process is to accept a leader who is perfect. That is our process. And the others, fools, they accept a leader who is not perfect. But either we or they, they must accept a leader. The only difference is that we accept the perfect leader and they accept the imperfect leader. Therefore they are cheated.

1975 Conversations and Morning Walks

So let them take it and throw out, don't read it. That's all.
Room Conversation -- June 26, 1975, Los Angeles:

Devotee (2): We're just trying to understand it because we've never dealt with Purāṇas before. We have been your disciples. But when we present this to the scientific community, because you have said that if one word is wrong, the whole philosophy is wrong, so they will say to us...

Prabhupāda: So let them take it and throw out, don't read it. That's all.

1977 Conversations and Morning Walks

You should stop this, showing this. It may not be a laughing matter.
Morning Conversation -- April 19, 1977, Bombay:

Girirāja: Many attractive photos to appeal to the public taste, but less philosophy.

Prabhupāda: We want now philosophy and science.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: We can make a better one.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Much better...

Prabhupāda: So you should stop this, showing this. It may not be a laughing matter.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: For the general public, do you think that they'll get anything from it?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: No. It may be of little use for these common people, just for women, children, that, for these. But personally I feel that...

Prabhupāda: It will not...

Svarūpa Dāmodara: ...the scientific community, they'll make fun of this.

Prabhupāda: Then don't show it.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about in the universities, the students?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: University students?

Prabhupāda: They are... University students, they may be educated. They'll also make a... Don't make it a laughing stock.

They invented stories for going to the moon planet.
Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- June 20, 1977, Vrndavana:

Svarūpa Dāmodara: I saw a newsletter issued by the International Society for the Study of the Origin of Life from Chemicals. They just had an international meeting in Japan this April, and I am a member, so they send me a newsletter, national newsletter. They have interesting schemes. The next meeting is in 1981 in Israel. I was actually thinking of presenting a paper in the last meeting, but time was little short for us. So we are thinking of presenting papers in that international meeting. It is a whole scientific community all over. So I thought it will be very interesting to present our viewpoint and make it very strong. We are very small in number, but our thoughts will be very challenging to all of them, especially mathematics and physical chemistry together. They also have a journal, the Journal of the Origin of Life, and there the write only about chemicals. Everything is just like a story. So we make it a fairy tale, the molecular fairy tale, and it's very appropriate. All are stories.

Prabhupāda: They invented stories for going to the moon planet.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yeah, they're making stories about everything.

Prabhupāda: A small toy sputnik, background, a big picture, and photograph.

Therefore in the society there must be qualified brāhmaṇa. The all rascals, śūdras, professors...
Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- June 20, 1977, Vrndavana:

Svarūpa Dāmodara: The mental attitude of the inquirer or the seeker in this bhakti process, you also said, it plays a very important role in understanding this relationship between the jīva, or individual life, ātmā, and Paramātmā, these two relationships. So we proposed that since it is based on psychological interactions, willing, feeling and the thinking, so the attitude should be humble and it should not be arrogant, and it should feel the limitations. Actually we try to bring all the brahminical qualities in order to study this bhakti-yoga in a scientific manner, and we presented like that, briefly, in a scientific community, and it was mildly accepted. They were just thinking that...

Prabhupāda: Therefore in the society there must be qualified brāhmaṇa. The all rascals, śūdras, professors...

Rascal, where is your science?
Room Conversation With Madhudvisa and others -- August 17, 1977, Vrndavana:

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Practically the scientific community is going to realize that you're their most..., biggest opposition. They're going to come to appreciate that because you're the only one, Śrīla Prabhupāda, who has dared to challenge all of these scientists. And as your representatives, when they see what we're...

Prabhupāda: Because they... Nowadays people say "We don't want any sentiment, religious. We want science." Rascal, where is your science?

With this cooperation, this institution will be very prestigious. So if it is possible, organize. But don't overburden.
Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana:

Svarūpa Dāmodara: So he didn't say anything specifically, but he said he would be very happy to help us in establishing a center there. He's very favorable to our philosophy, and he invited me to his own home, and we discussed at great length about the philosophy that we are trying to present in the scientific community, and he feels that it's very genuine and we should... They should help us to push forward.

Prabhupāda: So with this cooperation, this institution will be very prestigious. So if it is possible, organize. But don't overburden.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is that overburden?

Prabhupāda: Other business may not suffer.

We want that they should be interested.
Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana:

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Round-table conference. There will be other scientists from Delhi, like D. S. Kotari. D. S. Kotari is the ex-chairman of University Grants Commission. He's a very well known physicist. He's a very interested... I think he's the most interested in India in our field. He's retired and very respected. All Indian scientific community... Actually, this was his idea, that we set up a round-table conference in Indian National Science Academy. So we agreed to that. We'll have some sort of a debating form. So I'll bring all our members, and we'll have conference in Delhi. Also Krishnamurti... He's the director of television in Delhi. He's going to make some arrangement for us after the conference for the television appearance in New Delhi. Also most of the schools, they want us come and speak on the same topics that we are organizing here.

Prabhupāda: We want that they should be interested.

Correspondence

1977 Correspondence

Svarupa Damodara has received very good response here in India from the scientific community and there is good hope that many others will join him.
Letter to Ramesvara -- Bombay 2 April, 1977:

Now we are forming scientists party and we shall try with their help to establish Krishna consciousness as the genuine scientific movement of the world exposing the so-called scientists as nothing but speculators. Svarupa Damodara has received very good response here in India from the scientific community and there is good hope that many others will join him. He is returning to America for preparing some publications and when these are completed I have asked him to tour vigorously throughout the world lecturing with his other colleagues at all major institutions and universities. He has drawn up a budget of immediate needs, a copy of which is enclosed and I immediately sanction this amount. Whatever expenditure he requires supply him immediately from the BBT. I am prepared to give $10,000 or more monthly if required to finance this most important preaching program. So whatever money Svarupa Damodara needs must be supplied monthly and he will send you accounts.

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