Prabhupāda: Śyāma dāsī, secretary. And who is treasurer?
Hayagrīva: Hṛṣīkeśa.
Prabhupāda: Hṛṣīkeśa. And what is Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja's position?
Hayagrīva: He is maṭha commander?
Devotee 1: Prime minister.
Śyāma: Advisor. Advisor?
Hayagrīva: General advisor, maṭha commander.
Prabhupāda: The maṭha commander... Of course, so far the management of the New Vrindaban affairs is concerned, that is within maṭha commander's jurisdiction?
Hayagrīva: I don't know.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Maṭha commander means the, everything of that place under his command.
Hayagrīva: That's not good. Then advisor is better. Advisor would be better.
Prabhupāda: Advisor means his advice will be final?
Hayagrīva: Advice final? That means the advice would be depending on the president.
Prabhupāda: Confirmed by the president. So honorary advisor. Advice gratis?
Hayagrīva: Yes.
Prabhupāda: (Chuckling) No. Another thing is that, as I suggested, that Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, being sannyāsī, he should be given the top post to give honor to the position of a sannyāsī. Otherwise in our society there is no meaning of a sannyāsī.