Prabhupāda: These three things are presenting. The sunshine, the sun globe, and within the sun globe, the sun-god. Who is important?
Allen Ginsberg: If we could apprehend it in terms of person, the person.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Allen Ginsberg: But if we could apprehend it only in terms of the globe, then the globe.
Prabhupāda: So that means your approach may be up to globe, but that is not finished.
Allen Ginsberg: Yes.
Prabhupāda: That is not finished. You have to go... That is... Upaniṣad says that, he's praying that "Please wind up Your effulgence so that I can see Your true face." The Upaniṣad says. You see in the Upaniṣad. And he's praying that "Please wind up Your this glaring effulgence so that I can see Your real face." So real face is there. And Bhagavad-gītā says, brahmaṇo 'ham pratiṣṭhā. "This impersonal Brahman is standing on My existence."