Professor (Hṛdayānanda): He says that he can accept that man is born perfect, but that his development is imperfect, but he cannot accept that man is born imperfect.
Prabhupāda: No, that we don't say. Therefore man is advised to associate with perfect so that he can keep his perfectness.
Professor (Hṛdayānanda): He says, "The problem is there are so many millions of people, but there are so few perfect persons."
Prabhupāda: One perfect person is sufficient to teach thousands of imperfect persons.
Professor (Hṛdayānanda): He says he thinks you are right because the example is Buddha and Christ, and so many people follow them.
Prabhupāda: They are perfect, but the followers do not follow the instructions. That does not mean they are imperfect.