Yaśodānandana: Just as we say that ignorance consists of not understanding the difference between the jīva and the Paramātmā, the Māyāvādīs say that ignorance means to understand the difference between jīva and Paramātmā.
Prabhupāda: So then they difference. They admit that there is difference, if they say like that, that "There is difference."
Yaśodānandana: But they say that oneness, that is the real knowledge.
Prabhupāda: No, no. That's all right. But why they say "different"?
Yaśodānandana: They say to see that our vision of difference, that our vision of difference, that is ignorance. When we understand the jīvātmā to be different from God, from Bhagavān, that is ignorance.
Prabhupāda: No. No.
Yaśodānandana: That your vision of seeing God...
Prabhupāda: Yes. So we admit that, that when we see that "I am separate from..." Then the same example: If the finger thinks that it is separate from the body, that is ignorance, because the finger is required by the body to serve the body. So if he thinks, "No, I'll not serve you because I am different," that is ignorance. That is ignorance. That is going on.