Prabhupāda: So what is the wrong there? What was the wrong?
Indian man: No, he said that "This movement has got these black sheep, and they have been banned in Japan. Everywhere they will be banned."
Prabhupāda: But there is something in Japan which is banned. But what you have got in Japan?
Indian man: Nothing.
Yaśodānandana: First of all, we are not even banned in Japan. The center is still there.
Prabhupāda: No, no, that's all right. Banned means we had something. But what proof you have got that you have done something in Japan?
Indian man: There is something; there is nothing.
Prabhupāda: So it is better. Just like one man said that "I have lost fifty thousand this year." His friend said, "You are still fortunate, because you had fifty thousand. But I have no fifty paisa even."
Indian man: So there is something. Here nothing.
Prabhupāda: "So you are so fortunate that you could suffer the loss of fifty thousand, but I have nothing to lose."
Indian man: But that is for a discriminating man. Here it is an ignorance, asuya, envy. When Acyutānanda Swami was addressing one man (he) said, "Why always have Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa? We can have Hare Christ also." Same answer as Your Holiness gave, he said, "Yes, yes, you can have it. Whoever says.... We don't say no. It is also possible, but degree, matter of degree," as Your Holiness the other day put it. And some chapters and words were read out to the people. They were convinced that same saṅkīrtana is also sanctioned in the Bible.
Prabhupāda: We have to follow Caitanya Mahāprabhu or you? Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ (CC Adi 17.31). So we have to follow Caitanya Mahāprabhu.