Prabhupāda: (break) ...with this land also? No. (break) ...this building?
Mahāmṣa: I think it is a school, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Oh. (break) He does not know. He does not say that "certainly school." "It may be."
Harikeśa: Well, if I'm convinced it's a school, it's a school. I mean, the only thing that really matters is my perception of that thing.
Prabhupāda: You learn from him that it is school. Before that, you did not know. Therefore you have to learn. That experience is valuable, when you learn it.
Harikeśa: Yes, but the only thing that makes it a school...
Prabhupāda: You cannot imagine by seeing a building that it is a school. You cannot imagine that. That is foolishness.
Harikeśa: But all the people inside, they are also imagining that it's a school.
Prabhupāda: So that is all...
Acyutānanda: Just like if there is a pen. If I use it to kill someone, it is a weapon. If I use it to mix something, it is an instrument. If I use it to write with, then it's a pen. So it is not a pen. It is not a weapon. It is my idea that I impose on the object that makes it what it is.
Prabhupāda: No. No. Your idea, that is foolishness. But you learn from a teacher that this is pen; this is not a weapon. You have to learn it. If you don't learn it, then you will go on making experiment whether it is pen or it is weapon or it is this or that. Go on. But it will never come to any conclusion.