Prabhupāda: They already there, four classes of men, but they should be properly trained up. Then the society will be in order. Just like this man, he is considered to be first-class man in the society. He is in charge of some department. But actually, he is fourth class. So as he is little trained up by a moment's instruction, if he agrees to be trained up, he can become. He's young man, within thirty years old.
Amogha: Hmm. A very high position also. CSIRO. Commonwealth Science and Industrial Research Organization. He's commissioned by the government. They have to be very top intellectual researcher.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Amogha: And he is in a good position materially.
Gaṇeśa: You spoke to three of those men in Melbourne last time.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Amogha: Those scientists who came to see you last year in Melbourne were also from that organization.
Gaṇeśa: The same place.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Amogha: There were three men, and you made them eat the gulābjāmun.
Prabhupāda: Ah, ah. He was there?
Amogha: No, no. But they were from the same organization, the Melbourne branch.
Prabhupāda: Oh. The some scientists came.
Amogha: Yes. They were from the same . . .
Prabhupāda: Oh, he remembers. Then that man remembers, I gave him gulābjāmun.
Amogha: No, not this man.
Prabhupāda: No, the other man.
Amogha: Oh, yes. He sure did. That's a all over Australia organization.
Prabhupāda: Good organization.
Gaṇeśa: They are inquisitive, because they come to see you.
Prabhupāda: Oh. Oh, you did not invite him?
Amogha: Yes, but he would not come unless he was interested.
Prabhupāda: In the modern society there is no idea of first-class man, what is first-class man. They take it, a minister is first-class man. A first-class man is by these qualities, śamo damo titikṣā. It is not by the fat salary. By the first-class qualities.
Amogha: Some people, like this man, they notice that qualities are degrading and natural resources are degrading, so many problems are coming. But they don't know what to do. They're simply reporting that, "There we go down."
Prabhupāda: They cannot counteract. The counteraction is here in our Society. They should accept it. Then it will be all right. So become first-class man. Everyone will hear you. And you can face any so-called first-class man and talk with him straightforward that, "You are fourth class."