Prabhupāda: Yes. Brahman means the greatest, so as the sky, to our experience, the sky is the greatest. What is the sky? The sky is a combination of small atoms. Do you know that? So if the sky is Brahman, then it is combination of small atoms, then the small atoms are also Brahman. Just like a huge stack of rice, they are called rice, and a small grain of rice, that is also rice. So therefore there are two kinds of Brahman—the component parts of the Brahman, they are also Brahman, and whole Brahman is also Brahman. Do you follow?
Kim Cornish: I hear the words.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Amogha: He says: "I hear you," but he's not sure if he understands.
Prabhupāda: Why don't you understand?
Kim Cornish: I follow the analogy of the rice analogy.
Prabhupāda: The sky, the Brahman. What is the sky? A combination of atoms. So the component parts, they are also Brahman, otherwise how it is Brahman? Unless the component parts are Brahman, so how is it Brahman? It is a combination of many component parts, small Brahman. Para-brahman. Para-brahman means the supreme. The sea water, ocean water. Ocean water is very big, that is Brahman. Big means Brahman. But what is this ocean water? Small molecules of water. Sometimes we see the sea waves, we feeling small molecules, cool. So it is combination of small Brahman. So, sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma (Chāndogya Upaniṣad 3.14.1): everything is Brahman. And we are a small, very small fragmental portion of Brahman. How small we are? One ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair. We cannot see even the tip of the hair, very small spot. And you have to divide it into ten thousand parts. And that one part—you, I, everyone. So small. So this is . . . everything is Brahman. It is said, sarva khalv idaṁ brahma. Everything is Brahman. Why? Because the Brahman is very big, but what is this big? The big is combination of small molecules, atoms. That's all. What is your idea of Brahman?
Kim Cornish: From my own understanding I took it to be just the world, everything that is, but I don't understand.
Prabhupāda: Not clear idea.
Kim Cornish: I had an experience in New Zealand . . .
Prabhupāda: So therefore you have to experience from authority what is Brahman. This is explanation of Brahman. So this Brahman realization is first, then Paramātmā realization, then God realization. Just like you realize the sunshine, very big, all over the universe, but you have to see wherefrom the sunshine is coming—the sun globe. That is localized. You are seeing just like a small ball, but actually this big thing, sunshine, is coming from it. Is it not? So which is important, the sunshine or the globe? Which is important?
Kim Cornish: They are both important, but the sun is what produces the sunshine.
Prabhupāda: Similarly God the person is important, and by His bodily rays the whole thing is going on. Yasya prabhā prabhavato (Bs. 5.40). Brahmaṇo hi . . . (aside) Find out this verse—brahmaṇo hi pratiṣṭhāham.