Prabhupāda: This rascaldom is going on. Daridra-nārāyaṇa. What is this nonsense? Nārāyaṇa has become daridra?
Dr. Patel: No, but my one point is there. You may call me a fool even. I don't mind. But everything is covered by God. Even so in daridra, that is covered by God.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is rascaldom. Everything is covered by God. But that does not mean everything is God.
Dr. Patel: I did not say everything is God. I said everything is...
Prabhupāda: That everyone knows. Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma. That is not a very new thing.
Dr. Patel: So, so daridrata is also covered by...
Prabhupāda: Yes, without, without God, there cannot be anything.
Dr. Patel: There should be an ounce of Nārāyaṇa...
Prabhupāda: That does not mean... That I have already explained. But that does not mean he has become Nārāyaṇa.
Dr. Patel: I don't say he has become Nārāyaṇa.
Prabhupāda: But they, they say, daridra-nārāyaṇa. They say, the rascals say like that.
Dr. Patel: (Hindi)
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) ...difficulty. All rascals, they have become leaders. They have no knowledge, and they become leaders. Therefore the whole world is in chaos.
Dr. Patel:
- prakṛtyaiva ca karmāṇi
- kriyamāṇāni sarvaśaḥ
- yaḥ paśyati tathātmānam
- akartāraṁ sa paśyati
- (BG 13.30)
We should understand that we cannot do anything.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa... Kṛṣṇa... Doctor Shah. Mister Shah? Kṛṣṇa says...
Dr. Shah: Yes, yes.
Prabhupāda: ...that evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ (BG 4.2). Unless one comes to the paramparā system, he cannot understand the knowledge. But these rascals, without in the paramparā system, they interpret.
Dr. Shah: According to you, how many paramparās are there?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Dr. Shah: How many paramparās are there?
Prabhupāda: No, no, how many, don't take many. Take one.
Dr. Shah: One, yes.
Prabhupāda: Now, Kṛṣṇa is speaking to Arjuna. That is a fact.
Dr. Shah: Oh, that way also, he understood(?).
Prabhupāda: Yes. So as Arjuna understands, you take that. But all the rascals, they are going to understand Kṛṣṇa which is not spoken by Arjuna. Kṛṣṇa... Arjuna understood Kṛṣṇa. Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān (BG 10.12). Do they accept that?
Dr. Patel: They must accept.
Prabhupāda: Then why they should comment? Poke them in the... When he's rascal and does not know anything about Kṛṣṇa. Why should you write comment on Bhagavad-gītā? Let him do his own business. Why you should come here? That is our protest.