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| <div id="BG24_0" class="quote" parent="BG_Chapters_1_-_6" book="BG" index="43" link="BG 2.4" link_text="BG 2.4"> | | <div id="BG24_0" class="quote" parent="BG_Chapters_1_-_6" book="BG" index="43" link="BG 2.4" link_text="BG 2.4"> |
| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:BG 2.4|BG 2.4, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">Arjuna said: O killer of enemies, O killer of Madhu, how can I counterattack with arrows in battle men like Bhīṣma and Droṇa, who are worthy of my worship?</p> | | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:BG 2.4 (1972)|BG 2.4, Translation and Purport]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="trans text"><p style="display: inline;">Arjuna said: O killer of enemies, O killer of Madhu, how can I counterattack with arrows in battle men like Bhīṣma and Droṇa, who are worthy of my worship?</p> |
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| <div class="purport text"><p>Respectable superiors like Bhīṣma the grandfather and Droṇācārya the teacher are always worshipable. Even if they attack, they should not be counterattacked. It is general etiquette that superiors are not to be offered even a verbal fight. Even if they are sometimes harsh in behavior, they should not be harshly treated. Then, how is it possible for Arjuna to counterattack them? Would Kṛṣṇa ever attack His own grandfather, Ugrasena, or His teacher, Sāndīpani Muni? These were some of the arguments offered by Arjuna to Kṛṣṇa.</p> | | <div class="purport text"><p>Respectable superiors like Bhīṣma the grandfather and Droṇācārya the teacher are always worshipable. Even if they attack, they should not be counterattacked. It is general etiquette that superiors are not to be offered even a verbal fight. Even if they are sometimes harsh in behavior, they should not be harshly treated. Then, how is it possible for Arjuna to counterattack them? Would Kṛṣṇa ever attack His own grandfather, Ugrasena, or His teacher, Sāndīpani Muni? These were some of the arguments offered by Arjuna to Kṛṣṇa.</p> |
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| :iṣubhiḥ pratiyotsyāmi | | :iṣubhiḥ pratiyotsyāmi |
| :pūjārhāv arisūdana | | :pūjārhāv arisūdana |
| :([[Vanisource:BG 2.4|BG 2.4]]) | | :([[Vanisource:BG 2.4 (1972)|BG 2.4]]) |
| <p>(repeats)</p> | | <p>(repeats)</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Next verse also.</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: Next verse also.</p> |
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| :hatvārtha-kāmāṁs tu gurūn ihaiva | | :hatvārtha-kāmāṁs tu gurūn ihaiva |
| :bhuñjīya bhogān rudhira-pradigdhān | | :bhuñjīya bhogān rudhira-pradigdhān |
| :([[Vanisource:BG 2.5|BG 2.5]]) | | :([[Vanisource:BG 2.5 (1972)|BG 2.5]]) |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Synonyms? No. Everyone goes to bring that flask, and everyone is lost.</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: Synonyms? No. Everyone goes to bring that flask, and everyone is lost.</p> |
| <p>Satsvarūpa: Here it is.</p> | | <p>Satsvarūpa: Here it is.</p> |
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| <div id="LectureonBG2110andTalkLosAngelesNovember251968_1" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="32" link="Lecture on BG 2.1-10 and Talk -- Los Angeles, November 25, 1968" link_text="Lecture on BG 2.1-10 and Talk -- Los Angeles, November 25, 1968"> | | <div id="LectureonBG2110andTalkLosAngelesNovember251968_1" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="32" link="Lecture on BG 2.1-10 and Talk -- Los Angeles, November 25, 1968" link_text="Lecture on BG 2.1-10 and Talk -- Los Angeles, November 25, 1968"> |
| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.1-10 and Talk -- Los Angeles, November 25, 1968|Lecture on BG 2.1-10 and Talk -- Los Angeles, November 25, 1968]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "Arjuna said: O killer of Madhu, Kṛṣṇa, how can I counterattack with arrows in battle personalities like Bhīṣma and Droṇa, who are worthy of my worship ([[Vanisource:BG 2.4|BG 2.4]])?"</p> | | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.1-10 and Talk -- Los Angeles, November 25, 1968|Lecture on BG 2.1-10 and Talk -- Los Angeles, November 25, 1968]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "Arjuna said: O killer of Madhu, Kṛṣṇa, how can I counterattack with arrows in battle personalities like Bhīṣma and Droṇa, who are worthy of my worship ([[Vanisource:BG 2.4 (1972)|BG 2.4]])?"</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Of course, all explanation are not there. Here, these words, Kṛṣṇa addressed Arjuna, "chastiser of enemies." And Arjuna addresses Kṛṣṇa, "Madhusūdana," or the killer of the demon Madhu. "Yes, You are addressing me as chastiser of enemy, but do You think my grandfather, my teacher, they are my enemies? You killed demon Madhu, therefore Your name is Madhusūdana, but You are asking me to kill my grandfather and teacher." That is the hint. "It is all right that Your name is Madhusūdana. You killed one demon whose name was Madhu, but You are asking me, Bhīṣmasūdana? Bhīṣma is my grandfather. And Droṇasūdana?" Sūdana means killer. "So how can I be that?" That is the answer.</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: Of course, all explanation are not there. Here, these words, Kṛṣṇa addressed Arjuna, "chastiser of enemies." And Arjuna addresses Kṛṣṇa, "Madhusūdana," or the killer of the demon Madhu. "Yes, You are addressing me as chastiser of enemy, but do You think my grandfather, my teacher, they are my enemies? You killed demon Madhu, therefore Your name is Madhusūdana, but You are asking me to kill my grandfather and teacher." That is the hint. "It is all right that Your name is Madhusūdana. You killed one demon whose name was Madhu, but You are asking me, Bhīṣmasūdana? Bhīṣma is my grandfather. And Droṇasūdana?" Sūdana means killer. "So how can I be that?" That is the answer.</p> |
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| :iṣubhiḥ pratiyotsyāmi | | :iṣubhiḥ pratiyotsyāmi |
| :pūjārhāv arisūdana | | :pūjārhāv arisūdana |
| :([[Vanisource:BG 2.4|BG 2.4]]) | | :([[Vanisource:BG 2.4 (1972)|BG 2.4]]) |
| <p>He is addressing Kṛṣṇa as arisūdana, the killer of the enemies. He says, "But in my case, I have to fight with Bhīṣma, Droṇācārya. They are my well-wisher, and how can I kill them? It is my duty to offer my respect, touching their feet, and You are enticing me to pierce their body with arrow? So, of course, You have killed so many enemies, but You have killed enemies. Why You are inducing me to kill my grandfather and my teacher?" Of course, Arjuna, also intelligent. He replied that "You cannot accuse me as anārya. This is the consideration. Therefore I am hesitating to fight."</p> | | <p>He is addressing Kṛṣṇa as arisūdana, the killer of the enemies. He says, "But in my case, I have to fight with Bhīṣma, Droṇācārya. They are my well-wisher, and how can I kill them? It is my duty to offer my respect, touching their feet, and You are enticing me to pierce their body with arrow? So, of course, You have killed so many enemies, but You have killed enemies. Why You are inducing me to kill my grandfather and my teacher?" Of course, Arjuna, also intelligent. He replied that "You cannot accuse me as anārya. This is the consideration. Therefore I am hesitating to fight."</p> |
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| :kṣudraṁ hṛdaya-daurbalyaṁ | | :kṣudraṁ hṛdaya-daurbalyaṁ |
| :tyaktvottiṣṭha parantapa | | :tyaktvottiṣṭha parantapa |
| :([[Vanisource:BG 2.3|BG 2.3]]) | | :([[Vanisource:BG 2.3 (1972)|BG 2.3]]) |
| <p>"Give up this cowardice habit. You get up and prepare for your fight. This is kṣatriya's business. You should not go behind." Arjuna uvāca. "Arjuna replied."</p> | | <p>"Give up this cowardice habit. You get up and prepare for your fight. This is kṣatriya's business. You should not go behind." Arjuna uvāca. "Arjuna replied."</p> |
| :kathaṁ bhīṣmam ahaṁ saṅkhye | | :kathaṁ bhīṣmam ahaṁ saṅkhye |
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| :iṣubhiḥ pratiyotsyāmi | | :iṣubhiḥ pratiyotsyāmi |
| :pūjārhāv arisūdana | | :pūjārhāv arisūdana |
| :([[Vanisource:BG 2.4|BG 2.4]]) | | :([[Vanisource:BG 2.4 (1972)|BG 2.4]]) |
| <p>Now Kṛṣṇa was encouraging to fight; Arjuna was also very intelligently replying. He addressed Kṛṣṇa as Madhusūdana, Arisūdana. Madhusūdana means "the killer of Madhu demon" or "the killer or enemy." So his purpose is that "I have to kill Bhīṣmadeva, who is my so kind grandfather, and I have to kill Droṇācārya, who is my teacher, from whom I have learned this military art. So You have killed the demons and Your enemy, and why You are inducing me to kill my guru and my grandfather?" This is his argument. Kathaṁ bhīṣmam ahaṁ saṅkhye droṇaṁ ca madhusūdana, iṣubhiḥ pratiyotsyāmi: ([[Vanisource:BG 2.4|BG 2.4]]) "They, my grandfather, my teacher, may chastise me, but how I can pierce with arrows their body?"</p> | | <p>Now Kṛṣṇa was encouraging to fight; Arjuna was also very intelligently replying. He addressed Kṛṣṇa as Madhusūdana, Arisūdana. Madhusūdana means "the killer of Madhu demon" or "the killer or enemy." So his purpose is that "I have to kill Bhīṣmadeva, who is my so kind grandfather, and I have to kill Droṇācārya, who is my teacher, from whom I have learned this military art. So You have killed the demons and Your enemy, and why You are inducing me to kill my guru and my grandfather?" This is his argument. Kathaṁ bhīṣmam ahaṁ saṅkhye droṇaṁ ca madhusūdana, iṣubhiḥ pratiyotsyāmi: ([[Vanisource:BG 2.4 (1972)|BG 2.4]]) "They, my grandfather, my teacher, may chastise me, but how I can pierce with arrows their body?"</p> |
| <p>So this is the problem: duty. Arjuna was forgetting duty. And Kṛṣṇa was inducing him: "Never mind. According to kṣatriya rules and regulation, even the opposite party is your own son, you should not hesitate to kill him. This is kṣatriya's business." If the opposite party is your own son, but when there is fight, there must be decided: one party must be killed. This is kṣatriya's business. So he says, gurūn ahatvā hi mahānubhāvān ([[Vanisource:BG 2.5|BG 2.5]]). "These guru, this Droṇācārya and Bhīṣma, they are not ordinary men." Mahānubhāvān. Bhīṣma, everyone knows. Bhīṣma is one of the authorities, authorities of religious principle. There are twelve authorities.</p> | | <p>So this is the problem: duty. Arjuna was forgetting duty. And Kṛṣṇa was inducing him: "Never mind. According to kṣatriya rules and regulation, even the opposite party is your own son, you should not hesitate to kill him. This is kṣatriya's business." If the opposite party is your own son, but when there is fight, there must be decided: one party must be killed. This is kṣatriya's business. So he says, gurūn ahatvā hi mahānubhāvān ([[Vanisource:BG 2.5 (1972)|BG 2.5]]). "These guru, this Droṇācārya and Bhīṣma, they are not ordinary men." Mahānubhāvān. Bhīṣma, everyone knows. Bhīṣma is one of the authorities, authorities of religious principle. There are twelve authorities.</p> |
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| :iṣubhiḥ pratiyotsyāmi | | :iṣubhiḥ pratiyotsyāmi |
| :pūjārhāv ari-sūdana | | :pūjārhāv ari-sūdana |
| :([[Vanisource:BG 2.4|BG 2.4]]) | | :([[Vanisource:BG 2.4 (1972)|BG 2.4]]) |
| :gurūn ahatvā hi mahānubhāvān | | :gurūn ahatvā hi mahānubhāvān |
| :śreyo bhoktuṁ bhaikṣyam apīha loke | | :śreyo bhoktuṁ bhaikṣyam apīha loke |
| :hatvārtha-kāmāṁs tu gurūn ihaiva | | :hatvārtha-kāmāṁs tu gurūn ihaiva |
| :bhuñjīya bhogān rudhira-pradigdhān | | :bhuñjīya bhogān rudhira-pradigdhān |
| :([[Vanisource:BG 2.5|BG 2.5]]) | | :([[Vanisource:BG 2.5 (1972)|BG 2.5]]) |
| <p>Translation: "Arjuna said: O killer of Madhu (Kṛṣṇa), how can I counterattack with arrows in battle men like Bhīṣma and Droṇa, who are worthy of my worship? It is better to live in this world by begging than to live at the cost of the lives of great souls who are my teachers. Even though they are avaricious, they are nonetheless superiors. If they are killed, our spoils will be tainted with blood."</p> | | <p>Translation: "Arjuna said: O killer of Madhu (Kṛṣṇa), how can I counterattack with arrows in battle men like Bhīṣma and Droṇa, who are worthy of my worship? It is better to live in this world by begging than to live at the cost of the lives of great souls who are my teachers. Even though they are avaricious, they are nonetheless superiors. If they are killed, our spoils will be tainted with blood."</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: So the first problem was for Arjuna how to kill the kinsmen, family men. Now, when he was chastised by Kṛṣṇa as a friend that "Why you are so weak? Don't be weak. This is sentiment. This kind of compassion is sentiment. Uttiṣṭha. You better get up and fight." If I do not want to do something, I can offer so many pleas. You see. So next he is presenting gurūn: "All right, Kṛṣṇa, you are talking about my kinsmen. I accept that it is my weakness. But how do You advise me to kill my guru? Droṇācārya is my guru. And Bhīṣmadeva is also my guru. So do you want me to kill my guru? Gurūn hi hatvā. And not only ordinary guru. This is not that they are ordinary men. Mahānubhāvān. Bhīṣma is a great devotee, and similarly, Droṇācārya also, a great personality. Mahānubhāvān. So kathaṁ bhīṣmam ahaṁ saṅkhye droṇaṁ ca madhusūdana ([[Vanisource:BG 2.4|BG 2.4]]). "They are two great personalities. They are not only my gurus, but they are great personalities." And Kṛṣṇa is addressed "Madhusūdana." Madhusūdana means... Madhu was Kṛṣṇa's enemy, a demon. So He killed. So "You are Madhusūdana, You are killer of Your enemies. Can You give me any evidence that You have killed Your guru? So why You are asking me?" This is the purport. Iṣubhiḥ pratiyotsyāmi pūjārhāv ari-sūdana. Again Ari-sūdana. Ari means enemy. Madhusūdana, particularly "the killer of the Madhu demon." And next is Arisudana. Ari means enemy. So Kṛṣṇa has killed so many demons, ari, who came to fight with Him as enemy. Therefore His name is Arisudana.</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: So the first problem was for Arjuna how to kill the kinsmen, family men. Now, when he was chastised by Kṛṣṇa as a friend that "Why you are so weak? Don't be weak. This is sentiment. This kind of compassion is sentiment. Uttiṣṭha. You better get up and fight." If I do not want to do something, I can offer so many pleas. You see. So next he is presenting gurūn: "All right, Kṛṣṇa, you are talking about my kinsmen. I accept that it is my weakness. But how do You advise me to kill my guru? Droṇācārya is my guru. And Bhīṣmadeva is also my guru. So do you want me to kill my guru? Gurūn hi hatvā. And not only ordinary guru. This is not that they are ordinary men. Mahānubhāvān. Bhīṣma is a great devotee, and similarly, Droṇācārya also, a great personality. Mahānubhāvān. So kathaṁ bhīṣmam ahaṁ saṅkhye droṇaṁ ca madhusūdana ([[Vanisource:BG 2.4 (1972)|BG 2.4]]). "They are two great personalities. They are not only my gurus, but they are great personalities." And Kṛṣṇa is addressed "Madhusūdana." Madhusūdana means... Madhu was Kṛṣṇa's enemy, a demon. So He killed. So "You are Madhusūdana, You are killer of Your enemies. Can You give me any evidence that You have killed Your guru? So why You are asking me?" This is the purport. Iṣubhiḥ pratiyotsyāmi pūjārhāv ari-sūdana. Again Ari-sūdana. Ari means enemy. Madhusūdana, particularly "the killer of the Madhu demon." And next is Arisudana. Ari means enemy. So Kṛṣṇa has killed so many demons, ari, who came to fight with Him as enemy. Therefore His name is Arisudana.</p> |
| <p>So Kṛṣṇa has got enemies also, what to speak of ourself. This material world is so made, that you must have some enemies. Matsaratā. Matsaratā means enviousness, jealousy. This material world is like that. So there are jealous enemies of God also. They are called demons. Ordinary jealousy or enemy, that is natural. But even to God. Just like yesterday night, evening, somebody came to see me. He was arguing that "Why Kṛṣṇa should be accepted as God?" That was his argument. So Kṛṣṇa has enemies. Therefore Kṛṣṇa... Not only He, but everyone who is in the material world is enemy of Kṛṣṇa. Everyone. Because they want to be competitor of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says that bhoktāram: "I am the supreme enjoyer." Sarva-loka-maheśvaram: ([[Vanisource:BG 5.29|BG 5.29]]) "I am the Supreme proprietor." And the Vedas also confirm, īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam ([[Vanisource:ISO 1|ISO 1]]). "Everything is the property of the Supreme Lord." Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma. These are Vedic injunctions. Yato vā imāni bhūtāni jāyante: "From whom everything has come." Janmādy asya yataḥ ([[Vanisource:SB 1.1.1|SB 1.1.1]]). These are Vedic versions. But still, we, because we are enemies, "No, why Kṛṣṇa shall be the proprietor? I am the proprietor. Why Kṛṣṇa shall be God only. I have got another God. Here is another God."</p> | | <p>So Kṛṣṇa has got enemies also, what to speak of ourself. This material world is so made, that you must have some enemies. Matsaratā. Matsaratā means enviousness, jealousy. This material world is like that. So there are jealous enemies of God also. They are called demons. Ordinary jealousy or enemy, that is natural. But even to God. Just like yesterday night, evening, somebody came to see me. He was arguing that "Why Kṛṣṇa should be accepted as God?" That was his argument. So Kṛṣṇa has enemies. Therefore Kṛṣṇa... Not only He, but everyone who is in the material world is enemy of Kṛṣṇa. Everyone. Because they want to be competitor of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says that bhoktāram: "I am the supreme enjoyer." Sarva-loka-maheśvaram: ([[Vanisource:BG 5.29 (1972)|BG 5.29]]) "I am the Supreme proprietor." And the Vedas also confirm, īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam ([[Vanisource:ISO 1|ISO 1]]). "Everything is the property of the Supreme Lord." Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma. These are Vedic injunctions. Yato vā imāni bhūtāni jāyante: "From whom everything has come." Janmādy asya yataḥ ([[Vanisource:SB 1.1.1|SB 1.1.1]]). These are Vedic versions. But still, we, because we are enemies, "No, why Kṛṣṇa shall be the proprietor? I am the proprietor. Why Kṛṣṇa shall be God only. I have got another God. Here is another God."</p> |
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