Prabhupāda: ...and actually for the benefit of the human society. They have no other desire.
Hari-śauri: No, they can't stop this movement. It's not possible to stop this movement now.
Prabhupāda: No, it is not possible. That I'm certain. It is advertising indirectly. (laughs)
Hari-śauri: Will things get physically violent?
Prabhupāda: Well, the violence there may be. It doesn't matter.
Hari-śauri: We should... If we have to, we can...
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. We must... Self-protection must be there.
Hari-śauri: Because now with these kidnappings it seems that we may have to...
Prabhupāda: Fight!
Hari-śauri: Then we'll have to fight.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Why not? Kill them.
Hari-śauri: Yes. If we don't get protection from the government, then what can we do?
Prabhupāda: Oh, you must kill them. Tit for tat. As soon as we detect that "Here is deprogrammer and kidnapper," kill him. Finish!
Hari-śauri: And if we go to court, then it's self-defense.
Prabhupāda: Yes. At least give him some good lesson. Yes.
Hari-śauri: Yes. Definitely.
Prabhupāda: That should be done.
Hari-śauri: We fought with demons once or twice before that have attacked the temple. We ought to give 'em a good hiding.
Prabhupāda: There is civil war. Why not this?
Hari-śauri: Yes. This is... This is a big fight now.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: (laughs) You're the world's greatest revolutionary.
(Prabhupāda laughs) (break)
Hari-śauri: Now that we're being attacked like this physically...
Prabhupāda: So we must attack them also.
Hari-śauri: Should we actually have a training program so that our...
Prabhupāda: No.
Hari-śauri: ... we'd know how to defend? Like you were saying varṇāśrama...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: ...system there must be kṣatriya and everything like that.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: Should we actually start to...
Prabhupāda: Train.
Hari-śauri: ...train up some of our men so they know how to fight?
Prabhupāda: Yes, why not?
Hari-śauri: 'Cause we have men who know how to use guns. They practice a little. But on the whole, our devotees don't... They're not...
Prabhupāda: They are not trained up.
Hari-śauri: Trained up to be able to defend themselves, and these people are professional guṇḍās.
Prabhupāda: That...? What is that? "Kivat?" They practice self-defense?
Hari-śauri: Karate.
Prabhupāda: Karate.
Hari-śauri: There's different forms of self-defense. (end)