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[[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Room Conversations, 1966 - 1977]]
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<div id="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1974 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">This matter is also energy, and life is also energy. So according to Bhagavad-gītā, this life, or the living being, is superior energy, and the matter is inferior energy. So this living being is combination of the superior and inferior energy. But the superior energy is not matter. It is spirit.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Biochemist, Dr. Sallaz -- June 4, 1974, Geneva|Room Conversation with Biochemist, Dr. Sallaz -- June 4, 1974, Geneva]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Yogeśvara: One of their conclusions has been to be able to make one element to change into another element. They were able to take iron and transform it into chrome by chemical process, almost like alchemy, he says. And this was very startling for the scientific world.</p>
<p>Dr. Sallaz: Result. Result, only with physical heat, eight hundred, and pressure, only this. No laser, no atomic energy, nothing at all. Simply by natural measures.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: We can give you one information, that metals like bell metal. Bell metal is combination of...? What is called? Tin? Tin? What is another name of tin?</p>
<p>Yogeśvara: Copper.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Anyway, tin and copper and mercury; if you can mix, it will become gold.</p>
<p>Dr. Sallaz: I'm sure it is possible, from what we have seen and made. But it is not of great interest to make gold.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, we are interested. (laughter) We want gold for spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Nobody is paying us. We are simply selling our books. That's all. Nobody paying us, no government, no..., that "You take so many million dollars for spreading Kṛṣṇa..." Nobody. Therefore we require some gold. So biology, what is the basic principle of biology?</p>
<p>Yogeśvara: Do you understand his question?</p>
<p>Dr. Sallaz: Yes. Le principe, c'est la vie, life. And what is life? It is energy, speaking in European language.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Life, what is his life?</p>
<p>Yogeśvara: He says it is energy, life is energy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Whose energy? Whose energy? Wherefrom the energy comes?</p>
<p>Dr. Sallaz: From very, very high up.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm. Yes. It is... This matter is also energy, and life is also energy. So according to Bhagavad-gītā, this life, or the living being, is superior energy, and the matter is inferior energy. So this living being is combination of the superior and inferior energy. But the superior energy is not matter. It is spirit.</p>
<p>Dr. Sallaz: Exactly.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. And it is the... Both the energy are coming from God.</p>
<p>Dr. Sallaz: Exactly.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That is our study. So the living energy, the spirit soul, it has got a formation, formation, form. That is also stated in the śāstra, that 1/10,000th part of the top of the hair. Hair, the point, hair. (Yogeśvara translates in French) 1/10,000 part of the... The exact version is keśāgra. Keśa means hair, and agra means the top. Keśāgra-śata-bhāgasya ([[Vanisource:CC Madhya 19.140|CC Madhya 19.140]]). So that point, you divide into hundred, and take again one part of it, and again divide into hundred. That means you divide the top of the hair into ten thousand parts and then that one part is the magnitude of the soul, spiritual energy. That spiritual energy is within you, within me, within the ant, or within the elephant. So we are living entities. And the body is inferior energy, at the present moment. In the material world the body is covering. Just like you are covered by the coat.</p>
<p>Dr. Sallaz: No, you see, we have tried with some of our members, some of whom are very high in spiritual position, outside of this world. We have tried to look, to reach for the old truth in the very old knowledges of humanity. We have tried this with Indian knowledges. We have tried this with Chinese knowledges. We have tried this with Mexican knowledges. We have tried it everywhere. And we have found that everywhere there is, when you go deep enough, the same truth.</p>
<p>Yogeśvara: He says among their members, many of them are spiritually inclined So they have investigated the ancient scriptures from China and Mexico, all over the world, and they found that if you go down far enough in the philosophy, it is the same truth.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, truth is for everyone—if it is truth. Truth cannot be different. Chinese truth is different from Indian truth. That cannot be. Truth is the truth, provided it is truth. You take something myth as truth—that is different thing. So the truth is that this body is formed on the basis of that spiritual spark. That is the truth.</p>
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