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<h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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They avoid that trap, they avoid association of women. But these women are not ordinary women. They are preachers. They are preachers. They are Vaiṣṇava. By their association, one becomes a Vaiṣṇava.
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Prabhupāda: . . . simply surrender to Kṛṣṇa, his so-called ''siddhas'' and these are . . . they are bogus. (break) "Oh, he has got so much Vedic knowledge." No. ''Māyayāpahṛta-jñāna.'' Even though he appears to have so much knowledge, his real knowledge has been taken away by ''māyā''.

Chandobhai: Yes, "If I sincerely love You, You will reveal Yourself to me."

Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) . . . ''Bhagavad-gītā'' in the Seventh Chapter:

:''na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ''
:''prapadyante narādhamāḥ''
:''māyayāpahṛta-jñānā''
:''āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ''
:([[Vanisource:BG 7.15 (1972)|BG 7.15]])

''Catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ sukṛti'' . . . unless one is pious, one cannot come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. (break) . . . I say, ''bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān mām'' . . . ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19 (1972)|BG 7.19]]). That, that surrender is perfect because he has known everything. Then he's surrendering.

Dr. Patel: ''Jñānena hatvā'' . . .

Prabhupāda: That is ''jñāna''. That ''jñāna''.

Dr. Patel: Me . . . ''Aṁśa'' . . . what is that? (break)

Prabhupāda: . . . that is, of course, studying ''Bhagavad-gītā'', but their main business is to carry out the orders of their spiritual master. That is first business. Otherwise simply quoting for lives together, they'll never come to . . .

Indian man (1): Kṛṣṇaloka.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: Like us.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Dr. Patel: Like us. (laughter) You wanted to speak like that . . .(break)

Prabhupāda: (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. ''Jaya''. Good father, mother, who has begotten a child like you.

Yaśomatīnandana: I'm just a rogue. You are my real father.

Prabhupāda: ''Pitā na sa syāt''. (Hindi) ''Pitā na sa syāt na mocayed yaḥ samupeta-mṛtyum'' ([[Vanisource:SB 5.5.18|SB 5.5.18]]). ''Pitā'', father, must be . . . he must be father who can deliver his son from the impending death. So one can avoid this repetition of birth and death only becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious. So any father who gives chance to his children to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, he's real father. ''Pitā na sa syāj jananī na sā syāt . . . na mocayed yaḥ samupeta-mṛtyum.''

(break) . . . there is a verse:

:''janame janame sabe pitā-mātā pāya''
:''kṛṣṇa-guru nāhi mile bhaja ei bhāi''
:(''Prema-vivarta'')

In every birth one can get father and mother, but to get the spiritual master and Kṛṣṇa, that is not possible in every birth. That is only possible in this human form. The cats and dogs, they have got their father and mother. Therefore if we become father, mother like cats and dogs, there is no need of such . . . ''Kṛṣṇa-guru nāhi mile bhaja'' . . . the father helps the children to achieve Kṛṣṇa and ''guru'', that is real father. (break) . . . they avoid that trap, they avoid association of women. But these women are not ordinary women. They are preachers. They are preachers. They are Vaiṣṇava. By their association, one becomes a Vaiṣṇava.