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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1974]]
[[Category:Questions On... ISKCON - Leadership and Management]]
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<div class="heading">What about?... So what kind of work you can provide? Is there any work for him?... The construction, what he will do? He has no experience. Now see this gosvāmī, worshiping Deity, now he has no worshiping job: "Give me construction work."
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- May 20, 1974, Vrndavana|Room Conversation -- May 20, 1974, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Devotee (2): Before I came, we had one big festival in Geneva for two days, Saturday and Sunday. Each night over 500 people. It was nice. Geneva's not very big.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Geneva is important town.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Important, not very big though.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: International town.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: When I was going to London from Bombay..., no, no, when I was going to Switzerland, I think I stopped at Geneva.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Zurich. You were in Zurich.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Zurich, before that I stopped at Geneva. I saw the airport, very big airport. Then I went to Zurich. And from Zurich I went to some Mount St....</p>
<p>Devotee (2): St. Hellish.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You have been there? You are right, St. Hellish. (unclear)</p>
<p>Devotee (2): (laughs) Śyāmasundara.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, Śyāmasundara, "Oh, I have to..." He spent money for that. I thought "It is hellish." (laughter) Always covered with snow, I could not get out. Two days I was imprisoned in that hotel room. But people go there.</p>
<p>Yamunā: For health.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Yamunā: For their health.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is the health there? But one wonderful I saw from there. Down 10,000 feet, (indistinct) hill.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Mountain.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Mountain, yes. Down I saw the railway is going on... (break) ...has entered the sky. That is (indistinct). That is (indistinct). And the railway is very nice. Not like Darjeeling.</p>
<p>Indian man: You have to leave just now?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. I was to leave this morning, but I was to eat Yamunā's cooking. Cooking was very nice, but I had no appetite.</p>
<p>Yamunā: Appetite. No appetite.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: From yesterday lost my appetite.</p>
<p>Devotee (3): Because I was massaging you from yesterday.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (chuckles) No, that's not. It is Kṛṣṇa's grace to have less appetite, I think. Less sleep, less appetite, it is good. Nidrāhāra-vihārakādi-vijitau **. They conquered over, but I have not conquered it. By Kṛṣṇa's grace, it is reduced.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): May I have the key to the almirah, put these books away?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. You have got the duplicate key? So I can take this key?</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: Yes, I've given it to Guṇārṇava just now.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: I've given it to Guṇārṇava this morning, the duplicate.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh.</p>
<p>Yamunā: So I will not live in this place.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Yamunā: I will not live in your house, but I will work here. Because there is some objection from the boys, a lady living here.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (speaks Hindi with Indian man)</p>
<p>Indian man: So he doesn't have any first hand in publishing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (Hindi) All the gosvāmīs, all Rādhā-Ramaṇa gosvāmīs?</p>
<p>Indian man: No, not all Rādhā-Ramaṇa gosvāmīs. The Rādhā-Ramaṇa gosvāmīs are represented by...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Indian man: They were represented by (indistinct) Gosvāmī and (indistinct) Gosvāmī, but the gosvāmīs of the other temples.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Madana-Mohana Gosvāmī.</p>
<p>Yamunā: Rādhā-Dāmodara's were there?</p>
<p>Indian man: Rādhā-Dāmodara was there.</p>
<p>Yamunā: Yesterday Madana-Mohana Gosvāmī was little bit rude, yesterday.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Accha? To you?</p>
<p>Yamunā: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What did he say?</p>
<p>Yamunā: He was angry because he had locked the door and locked me outside, and I knocked on the door until he came, and he was angry. He was a little rude. So I could tell something was wrong.</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: Because usually he is not so rude.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: Usually he is not rude.</p>
<p>Yamunā: He is never harsh. He was a little harsh. I could tell something was wrong.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So they are planning something.</p>
<p>Indian man: I don't know exactly. I've not been able to make out what their plans are exactly because they don't tell me everything.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Indian man: They don't tell me everything. They have something up their sleeves. I don't know what.</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: So what should be our...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Madana-Mohana Gosvāmī, other time he was not harsh?</p>
<p>Yamunā: Not to me. To Gurudāsa maybe, but never me.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But this time he was harsh?</p>
<p>Yamunā: Yes, very harsh.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What did he say?</p>
<p>Yamunā: He was yelling.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Yamunā: He was yelling, raising his voice. He wasn't speaking in a quiet tone, he was yelling at me, "Why you are disturbing my sevā-pūjā by making me come to the door?" I said, "I am engaged in Vaiṣṇava sevā as well. Vaiṣṇava sevā and Kṛṣṇa sevā. You please excuse me." I was very courteous, but he was harsh.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So he was on the door?</p>
<p>Yamunā: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Madana-Mohana temple door?</p>
<p>Yamunā: Yes, putting the wooden bolt so I can't come inside. Yesterday this was. After leaving here for pravacana and going there, he had locked the gate. Then I knocked until he came.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Madana-Mohana Gosvāmī or Rādhā-Ramaṇa?</p>
<p>Yamunā: No, Madana-Mohana Gosvāmī.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So what business you have to go to Madana-Mohana temple at that time?</p>
<p>Yamunā: Madana-Mohana Gosvāmī of Rādhā-Dāmodara temple.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Ohhhh.</p>
<p>Yamunā: Gaurachand's other side, where we live.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Ah, Madana-Mohana Gosvāmī. I thought from Madana-Mohana temple.</p>
<p>Yamunā: No.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Well, what about this Gaurachand Gosvāmī?</p>
<p>Yamunā: He is calling for Gurudāsa sometimes. We don't speak so much. I don't see him because he isn't doing worship for the Deity of Dāmodara any more. So he is quiet, stays in the background. I think he wants sometimes a little money.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Yamunā: I think he is having a little difficulty with money, so he asks sometimes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Some help?</p>
<p>Yamunā: Sometimes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Does he?</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: Not very often; sometimes.</p>
<p>Yamunā: Otherwise we don't see so much. But now I find he moved from Dāmodara.</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: The last time I saw him, he said he wants Panchu to work for us. He said he...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So what he will work? What he will work?</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: He says he will do anything.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Anything, but what anything? What?</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: Right now we have no work except construction. So what should I tell him when I see him?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What about?</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: If he asks what about Panchu working there?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So what kind of work you can provide? Is there any work for him?</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: Only now construction.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The construction, what he will do? He has no experience. Now see this gosvāmī, worshiping Deity, now he has no worshiping job: "Give me construction work."</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: When we start our Deity program, should we...?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no.</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: No pay?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No pay, neither... He smokes.</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: Suppose he will join us and shave head and give up bidis, then he can...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That will take six life. (laughter) Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante ([[Vanisource:BG 7.19 (1972)|BG 7.19]]). It is not so easy. It is not so easy. To give up all these things, it is only by Kṛṣṇa's grace. But they are not meant for that. But for money's sake, business sake, they can take any shape. That is another thing. At least they will not be able to give up bidis. That is not possible. They may be gosvāmī for everything, not for bidi. (speaks Hindi with Indian man briefly)</p>
<p>Indian man: So Prabhupāda, I have an engagement at 4:30. I came only to see you because Nirvasi told me that you were leaving.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (indistinct) (Hindi)</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: So is there any instructions about this gosvāmī business that you have?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Gosvāmī business? What gosvāmī business?</p>
<p>Gurudāsa: These gosvāmīs of Vṛndāvana, that are agitated.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, I have not received any letter from them. Unless we receive a letter, how we can say anything?</p>
<p>Indian man: I have told Purushottam(?) Gosvāmī...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Indian man (2): I have told Purushottam(?) Gosvāmī and the other gosvāmīs also that Prabhupāda is in a very conciliatory mood, and if you make a proper approach, he is prepared to make proper amends for whatever has been taken in (indistinct).</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Indian man (2): But the approach should be proper.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Indian man (2): The approach should be proper.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. You told him?</p>
<p>Indian man (2) Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Indian man (2): I told him about the drafts, you see, that you made the other day. I said, "Prabhupāda has only agreed. It was so magnanimous of him, so magnanimous."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, I told you Friday, you write, I shall sign it. And why they are agitating and stopped such a function? And that is very regrettable. Gosvāmī means vāco vegaṁ krodha-vegaṁ viṣaheta. If there is some krodha, you should tolerate. Now here is a Vaiṣṇava, he has done so much for Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and the reception was there, and he stopped. How he is gosvāmī? He expressed his krodha in that very moment, just to take retaliation. It is not gosvāmī. What do you think? Krodha-vegam. It is a krodha, but he could not tolerate that krodha-vegam. He retaliated at the right moment and to a person, fit person who was to be honored. Just see. And he claims to be gosvāmī. The first business is vāco vegaṁ krodha-vegam. The Vaikuṇṭha mentality is that if one is serving—I have read it in Bhāgavata—Kṛṣṇa better than somebody else, he would simply appreciate that "Kṛṣṇa has so much favored him. Oh, how fortunate he is. When I shall be able?" That is Vaikuṇṭha mentality. And the material mentality is, "Oh, he has advanced so much. How to come down him?" That is material. This is the difference between Vaikuṇṭha mentality. So his business is how to come down. So he is not a gosvāmī. At least I will not accept. What do you think? Am I right or wrong?</p>
<p>Indian man (2): (indistinct)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Indian man (2): What shall I say? (chuckles)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This is the definition of gosvāmī. Vāco vegam krodha-vegam udaro-vegam pastha-vegam etān manasaḥ vegam, etān vegān viṣaheta dhīraḥ pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt. So he has not proved to be very dhīra. Dhīrādhīra-priyau priya-karau nirmatsarau. So that is my regret, that these people cannot appreciate the service of a Vaiṣṇava. They are simply personally interested. Personally interested is materialistic way of life. Everybody is personally interested.</p>
<p>Indian man (2): I think after he returns he will do something.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Indian man (2): He might do something after he returns.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: All right, we shall see to it. (end)</p>
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