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<div id="Lectures" class="section" sec_index="4" parent="compilation" text="Lectures"><h2>Lectures</h2>
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<div id="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="0" parent="Lectures" text="Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures"><h3>Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures</h3>
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<div id="LectureonBG24647NewYorkMarch281966_0" class="quote" parent="Bhagavad-gita_As_It_Is_Lectures" book="Lec" index="105" link="Lecture on BG 2.46-47 -- New York, March 28, 1966" link_text="Lecture on BG 2.46-47 -- New York, March 28, 1966">
<div class="heading">A lower animal, he has also got the consciousness. He has got also a soul. But unfortunately he hasn't got the facility, the bodily facility or developed intelligence by which he can understand that, what he is. So that is the difference between animal and human being.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 2.46-47 -- New York, March 28, 1966|Lecture on BG 2.46-47 -- New York, March 28, 1966]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Human society is not animal society. The difference between animal society and human society is that a human being, whoever he may be, he can, if he is taught, if he is given training, if he is educated, he can understand his real position, that he is not this body, but he is pure consciousness; he is spirit soul. But in the animal society, however a big animal may be, either he may be a lion or a tiger or an elephant or any other big animal, he cannot be taught about the constitution of the soul, although he has got the soul also. A lower animal, he has also got the consciousness. He has got also a soul. But unfortunately he hasn't got the facility, the bodily facility or developed intelligence by which he can understand that, what he is. So that is the difference between animal and human being. So in the human society, if they do not care to understand this factual position of his soul or consciousness, then he is no better than the animal. Yes. That is the Vedic version.</p>
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<div id="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" class="sub_section" sec_index="1" parent="Lectures" text="Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures"><h3>Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures</h3>
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<div id="LectureonSB11542LosAngelesDecember201973_0" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="310" link="Lecture on SB 1.15.42 -- Los Angeles, December 20, 1973" link_text="Lecture on SB 1.15.42 -- Los Angeles, December 20, 1973">
<div class="heading">They say the animal has no soul. Why? You can say, "The intelligence is not developed."
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.15.42 -- Los Angeles, December 20, 1973|Lecture on SB 1.15.42 -- Los Angeles, December 20, 1973]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">The rascal says that the animals have no soul. Why? Then the child has no soul? What is the difference between the child's behavior and an animal's behavior? Anyone who has got a dog in the family, the dog is also one of the children. He also behaves... The children also behave like the dog. And the children do not find any difference, that a dog is different, he is different. Simple. So if the dog has no soul and if the behavior are the same, as of the dog of the child, so does it mean the child has no soul? How foolish they are. Just see. And they say the animal has no soul. Why? You can say, "The intelligence is not developed." As the child's intelligence is not developed, it will develop with the chance of the body, similarly, the dog also will have developed sense when he will change his dog's body to human body. That is called evolution. He will get the chance. Nature will give the chance.</p>
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<div id="Philosophy_Discussions" class="sub_section" sec_index="13" parent="Lectures" text="Philosophy Discussions"><h3>Philosophy Discussions</h3>
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<div id="PhilosophyDiscussiononPlotinus_0" class="quote" parent="Philosophy_Discussions" book="Lec" index="29" link="Philosophy Discussion on Plotinus" link_text="Philosophy Discussion on Plotinus">
<div class="heading">The animals may be less intelligent. A child may be less intelligent than the father; that does not mean there is no soul.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Philosophy Discussion on Plotinus|Philosophy Discussion on Plotinus]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Hayagrīva: He believed that the soul is eternal and incorporeal in men, animals, and even in plants, and in this he differed from other philosophers of the time.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What... In which way differs? Because he accepts...</p>
<p>Hayagrīva: Accepted in..., the soul living in animals and also in plants.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the fact. He is right. That is Vedic conclusion. Sarva-yoniṣu, all different forms of life, there is soul, part and parcel of God. How some foolish person can think of animal has no soul? What is the reason? There is no very strong argument. The animals may be less intelligent. A child may be less intelligent than the father; that does not mean there is no soul. This gross and doggish mentality, animal mentality, is killing the human civilization. Now they have degraded so much that they think that the embryo has no soul. In this way man is being put into darker and darkest region of ignorance. Everyone has soul. That is real. We get it from Kṛṣṇa: sarva-yoniṣu. In different forms of life the soul is there, undoubtedly. That is real conception of soul. Evolution means he is evolving from one lower grade of body to another, higher grade of body, and in this way by evolution he comes to the human form of life. And in this human form of life he can understand the teachings of Bhagavad-gītā, that if he likes, he can surrender to the Supreme Lord and go back to home, back to Godhead, and if he does not, then he remains in this material world, undergoing the tribulations of the repetition of birth, death, old age, and disease. Corporal body.</p>
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1974 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="MorningWalkApril111974Bombay_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="60" link="Morning Walk -- April 11, 1974, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- April 11, 1974, Bombay">
<div class="heading">Just like a human child. His father is superior than the child because the father has got superior intelligence, not that the child has no soul.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 11, 1974, Bombay|Morning Walk -- April 11, 1974, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Italian Man (1): Because they don't like to identify themselves with animals. Because if they admit that animals have a soul, then they have to identity, means they are afraid of identifying with animals. They feel they are superior to animals. We are superior to animals, indeed, but...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is by intelligence. We are superior to animals by superior intelligence, not by... Just like a human child. His father is superior than the child because the father has got superior intelligence, not that the child has no soul. The child talks so many nonsense things, but we take it, "After all, it is child." Nobody cares whether it is symmetrical or not, because his intelligence is not developed. So even the animals have no developed intelligence, that does not mean it has no soul. Yes. The evolution of different types of body means evolution of intelligence. Just like a flower, in the bud stage, the flower is there. But the fragrance or the beauty has not yet developed. So unless the things are there, how it can develop? Similarly, the soul is there in every living entity, but according to the development of the body, evolution of the body, the intelligence becomes manifest. Otherwise, what is the meaning of education? Education means to develop the intelligence. That is education.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkJune201974Germany_1" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="124" link="Morning Walk -- June 20, 1974, Germany" link_text="Morning Walk -- June 20, 1974, Germany">
<div class="heading">The dog is coming, and if I say, "Hut!", unless it has got intelligence, how it goes away the other way? There is intelligence. There is no language, but because he has got intelligence, he can immediately understand I don't want him to come here. So how you can say there is no intelligence? The rascals say "The animals have no intelligence; therefore they have no soul." If one has no intelligence, there is no soul. That is admitted. But here is intelligence. How can you deny, "There is no soul"?
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- June 20, 1974, Germany|Morning Walk -- June 20, 1974, Germany]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Haṁsadūta: They also hear sound. They made some experiment that when they grow plants with music, they grow more.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, just see.</p>
<p>Haṁsadūta: In greenhouses. They play music. Then they become more healthy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Just see. Their sensation is very covered. Just like you cut the nails. There is no sensation. And does it mean there is no sensation-therefore there is no life? Unless there is life, how it is growing? It is growing; therefore you cut. But when you cut, there is no sensation. But there is life. Otherwise, how it is growing? The same nail, when you cut, you throw it on the ground. It will not grow. These are practical example. Just like little child. Their sensation is less. I know. My eldest daughter, when she was six months old, there was some boil. So the doctor operated. She simply, "Uh, uh," no cried. I have seen it. She was not crying. But the same boil, when a fully developed man, he will feel more sensation. So according to the body, the sensations are different. The same things, means mind, intelligence and ego, according to the body, they act differently. But the mind, intelligence and ego are there. The dog is coming, and if I say, "Hut!", unless it has got intelligence, how it goes away the other way? There is intelligence. There is no language, but because he has got intelligence, he can immediately understand I don't want him to come here. So how you can say there is no intelligence? The rascals say "The animals have no intelligence; therefore they have no soul." If one has no intelligence, there is no soul. That is admitted. But here is intelligence. How can you deny, "There is no soul"? The animals, the cows, when they are taken to the slaughterhouse, why they cry? Because he has intelligence that "Now I am going to be killed." And these rascals say there is no soul. And still, they are religious priests. Such fools and rascals are made religious fools, priests. No common sense. And they also get degree, Doctor of Divinity, DD.</p>
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<div id="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1976 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1976 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationNovember31976Vrndavana_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="325" link="Room Conversation -- November 3, 1976, Vrndavana" link_text="Room Conversation -- November 3, 1976, Vrndavana">
<div class="heading">That means reason and logic is soul. That is their idea. That is not soul. Intelligence, when I say, "You have got intelligence," it does not mean you are intelligence. "You have got intelligence," we say like that. We never say, "You are intelligence." So intelligence is not soul.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- November 3, 1976, Vrndavana|Room Conversation -- November 3, 1976, Vrndavana]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: The transmigration of the soul, the aim of life which we are discussing in our book, that's fact. How he can deny the transmigration of the soul from one body to another? And if that is accepted, the whole problem is solved. He does not know what kind of life he is going to get. Therefore they do not accept this philosophy. If once accepted, then next question—"What kind of life we are going to get, either to become a tree or a dog or human being?" What arrangement you have done that you will get next life human being? Then the pious and impious activities comes one after another. The basic principle they are denying. "After this body is finished, everything is finished." Bhāsmi bhūtasya dehasya punar agama...(?) "The body will be burned into ashes, and where is life? Who is coming? Who is going? That's all." They do not see the soul. Their medical science cannot find out where is soul. How do they say the... The soul means intelligence, they say. Otherwise how do they say the animal has no soul? Why do they say? What is the... "Man has soul," they say. "The animal has no soul."</p>
<p>Jagadīśa: That's what the Christians say. The Christians say.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So what is the symptom?</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: Well, they... 'Cause he, man, has reason and logic.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That means reason and logic is soul. That is their idea. That is not soul. Intelligence, when I say, "You have got intelligence," it does not mean you are intelligence. "You have got intelligence," we say like that. We never say, "You are intelligence." So intelligence is not soul. The rascals, they do not know. Mistake. Nobody says, "You are intelligence." They say, "You are intelligent."</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: Intelligence is something you possess.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
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<div id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationFebruary251977Mayapura_0" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="106" link="Room Conversation -- February 25, 1977, Mayapura" link_text="Room Conversation -- February 25, 1977, Mayapura">
<div class="heading">Intelligence, I think, they take it as soul. Therefore they say that the animal has no soul. (But an animal also has intelligence.) The cows, they can understand that "These people are going to kill us. These people will not kill us." They can understand.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- February 25, 1977, Mayapura|Room Conversation -- February 25, 1977, Mayapura]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They don't understand.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Apareyam... (break) ...inferior. These rascals, they do not. The superior thing they do not know. They are simply entangled in this material, inferior. Psychologist, psychiatrist. (sound of shenai) Now there is moon. Intelligence. Intelligence, I think, they take it as soul. Therefore they say that the animal has no soul.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But an animal has intelligence. An animal also has some small degree of intelligence.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You were saying the cows, when they know there is something there, they stay away.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. They can understand that "These people are going to kill us. These people will not kill us." They can understand. You know that when I was in America some incident took place, that some slaughterhouse livestock, the..., somehow or other, it was open, and they were fleeing away, going away. Something happened. They were going up on the slaughterhouse, and some of them were shooted.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The cows were running away?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm. Unless they could understand that "We are kept here for being slaughtered," why they were running away?</p>
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