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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
[[Category:Questions On... Scripture, Mantras]]
[[Category:Questions On... Vedic Culture and Philosophy]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">Not lost. It is there. You don't take it. That's it. What is there? One who can read...
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- November 20, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- November 20, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: ...Russians do not utilize the gold...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: They think gold has got no value so far as value... Because it is a stamping metal. Otherwise what use it can be made of? So far as the society is concerned, iron is more important than gold, to tell the truth.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So let them exchange.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: From the utility point of view.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Let them exchange. We give them iron. (laughter) Let me...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: They don't want to. They may use it at some future date.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore they are rascals.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Karl Marx, Hegel, Engels, all these fellows were more materialist, all those three philosophers. And the philosophy of Karl Marx is the abstract materialism.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: Now one book has been published in Russia, An Appreciation of Nehru. All the...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: He was a Marxist, you see. He went in 1912 to Moscow before the revolution to meet all those fellows.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: This book is stories of different Russian scientists and politicians, philosophers, giving their appreciation of how they knew Nehru and...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Just to pacify Indira Gandhi.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Flattering.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: So they've just presented this book.</p>
<p>Yaśomatīnandana: Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm, yes. Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharai saṁstuta puruṣa paśuḥ ([[Vanisource:SB 2.3.19|SB 2.3.19]]).</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: How they smuggled away the secret of atom smashing from America, these Russians?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: They smuggled away the secret of atom bomb from America.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The Germans.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: No, the Russians smuggled away. Germans came to America, taking that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They understood from the Germans.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Yes, sir, but it is said that the German scientist ran away to America because they were afraid of Hitler. If Hitler gets the secret of atom, he would bomb out the whole world.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Hitler knew it.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: No. They were not able to be successful to...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. He knew it, everything, but he did not like to do it. He said. He said. He was gentleman. But these people are not gentlemen. He knew it perfectly well. He said that "I can smash the whole world, but I do not use that weapon." The Germans already discovered. But out of humanity they did not use it. And all the, your American, other countries, they have stolen from German ideas.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: I think, sir, German scientists ran away during the wartime to America.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Some of them went to Russia, some of them-(aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa—to America.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: The German scientists, they went to America. But the plans for these things were left in Germany and the Russians came. The Russians got the plans, the Americans got the scientists.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: I see. So the Russians, I mean, scientists produced from the plan the bomb.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: That's why the Americans got it first, because they had the scientists.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: But that man was caught from America giving away secret to the Russians. He was electrocuted, no? The science does not belong to a single race or a nation.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, more scientists were there in Germany.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: They say Germany could produce more scientists because they had all our, our Vedas and all our secret ancient books with them, the Sanskrit. They had read them.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is also fact.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: And one Śaṅkarācārya—I don't know which—who was the professor in one of the colleges of Madras, he went and met Professor Einstein and talked about... And then he gave out some, one śloka of two lines which actually depicted how atoms could be smashed. That is in our sciences.</p>
<p>Indian man (2): This is fact?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Yes, it's a fact. (Hindi)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (break) ...ago, there was one Mr. Badhuri in Benares. He was a great astrologer. So he told me that from Benares the Germans have taken three books: one is Akāśa-patola, one is Kapota-vahi and his Khapoda-vahi. Khapoda-vahi, this airplane. Kha means akasa. And there is another science, kapota-vahi, to carry man by the pigeons. That is not yet displayed. Kapota-vahi. And there is another, Akasa-patola. Any, any, even your chairs you sit down; by mantra it will go on.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: We have in Mahābhārata, that, I mean, Bhima threw away those elephants and rowing in the sky. And when Parīkṣit thought "How could it be?" then that elephants came down in the story. That means they were rowing about just like sputniks of today, perhaps. I don't know how they might have...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, three books they have taken. They paid some eight lakhs of rupees. That Mr. Badhuri told me. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That means this civilization must have felt the pangs of the modern sciences and then they must have lost it. No?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not lost. It is there. You don't take it. That's it. What is there? One who can read... Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. Good boy.</p>
<p>Harikesa: They couldn't chant those mantras though, could they? If they tried... Even if they tried, they wouldn't be able to chant the mantras.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Why? Nobody taught them. You are chanting. How you are chanting? Nobody taught them. That is the difficulty.</p>
<p>Jayapataka: Why the Germans are good Sanskrit scholars? Why?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Because they had very good tendency for learning Sanskrit to know so many things. That was their research. They knew it that in Sanskrit language there are so many wonderful things.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Now, sir, they say that in American universities also, many universities have started teaching Sanskrit.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. In every school, every college, every university, there is Sanskrit. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. (break)</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: ...was the real man who, when he started studying Vedas, he realized that in Sanskrit language there is a huge literature of great importance. He spread the things in Germany. No, he was staying in England.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: By international scholars' meeting these diacritic marks were discovered for studying Sanskrit. The diacritic marks which we use, that is international agreement of Sanskrit scholars.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Yes. Yes. Those marks. A, and a and u and ai and these dots. Yes, that is international. Nobody can claim. That is long back, sir. I think Max Muller's time.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: There were so many scholars, even in Paris, Germany, and Italy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Professor Roe and Webb, they were professor in Presidency College when we were school children. They admitted Sanskrit is the mother of all languages.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: In fact, Persian is the first letter of Sanskrit which looks like that. When you study Persian, so many words-Sanskrit directly taken Persian. In the Russian language, I mean, so many words are there of Sanskrit.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, whole world you'll find Sanskrit. The first word, mother and father, that is Sanskrit, matri and pitri.</p>
<p>Yaśomatīnandana: Ha, everywhere. Everywhere starts like that, all the languages.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Jñā, to know, from that, knowledge, jñā.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. Jaya. (break)</p>
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