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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1973]]
[[Category:Questions On... Personalities From Other Religions or Spiritual Paths]]
[[Category:Questions On... Authority and Authenticity]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1973 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1973 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">Yes. Whether you have got perfect information or I have got perfect information, that is to be tested. I have no objection if somebody says that "I have got perfection, perfect information," but I'll have to see whether you have got. But I have no objection if you say. That is all right. Because if I have got perfect information, you may also have. There is no objection. But I have to test whether. Anybody can say, "I have passed M.A. examination." But I have to test whether he's actually M.A...
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 6, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 6, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prajāpati: One very prominent philosopher, theologian, today named Martin Buber, he says we cannot talk about God as "He", describing so many attributes to Him as something other. He is the eternal...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That, that we accept, that ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ: (Brs. 1.2.234) We cannot speculate about God with our imperfect senses. But that does not mean we should not know god. We cannot speculate, but there is process of knowing God. That is from God. When He says, "I am like this," that's all. You have to accept that. You cannot speculate. You cannot create. Just like a big man, a big master, nobody knows how many millions of dollars he has got. They are speculating. His servants are speculating, "Master may have so many millions. Master may have so many..." But that is all imperfect. When the master says, "I have got so much, so many millions," that is perfect. All other speculation, they're all imperfect. So our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, we are not speculating. We are accepting God the authority, and He's speaking about Himself. We are accepting. That is our position. Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat: ([[Vanisource:BG 7.7 (1972)|BG 7.7]]) "There is no more superior authority than Me." We accept it. Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ: "You always think of Me. Become my devotee." We become... This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are imperfect, but we accept the perfect. Therefore we are perfect. We are imperfect. We don't say that we are God, or perfect. We are imperfect. But we accept the perfect version of the perfect. Therefore we are perfect.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: Well, then again they would say that many people say that they have perfect...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: Many, many different people say that they have the perfect information about God.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: If they have, that's all right. But it should be tested whether they have got.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: Tested?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Whether you have got perfect information or I have got perfect information, that is to be tested. I have no objection if somebody says that "I have got perfection, perfect information," but I'll have to see whether you have got. But I have no objection if you say. That is all right. Because if I have got perfect information, you may also have. There is no objection. But I have to test whether. Anybody can say, "I have passed M.A. examination." But I have to test whether he's actually M.A...</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: So who shall decide what the criteria is, to test.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: God will decide. The God's book is there, Bhagavad-gītā. Just like two lawyers fighting. Who will decide? The lawbook will decide.</p>
<p>Umāpati: How will the judgement be rendered?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Umāpati: How will the judgement be rendered?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Umāpati: They would ask.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Judgement will be rendered by lawbook.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: They say they have their own lawbook.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, that is kick on their face. (laughter) You are rascals. As soon as he says, "I have got my law books," he's a rascal. He's a rascal. Kick on his face with boot.</p>
<p>Karandhara: In the West, they don't accept the Bhagavad-gītā as anything but a piece of mythology or...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then he has to accept something else. He has to accept something. He may accept Bible. They may not accept Bhagavad-gītā. They must accept Bible. But you have to, then you have to lead your life according to the version of the Bible. The version of the Bible is that "Thou shalt not kill." You are killing. Therefore you are not, not followers of Bible. You are rascal.</p>
<p>Karandhara: Well, their process is to discredit all scriptures so that they don't have to follow anything.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then you are discredited. Who follows your version? If you discredit others' version, who follows your version? Who are you? If you don't accept other authority, and who is going to accept your authority? Why shall I? You cannot become authority, that "I don't accept any authority." I have to follow that? Then you become authority.</p>
<p>Sudāmā: They also argue, though, that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, first of all, understand. If he says that "I don't accept any authority," that means he becomes authority. I have to follow him.</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: Then they say it's a, it's just like a stand-off then.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Hṛdayānanda: That... Then they say "Well, it's a stand-off, that I say I'm right and that you say you are right. So it cannot be..."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But that, therefore there is confusion. The world position is like that. Now it is confusion. Everything is...</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: Conflict.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...in confusion. That is chaotic condition. Every citizen says, "I don't accept government law. I have got my own law." It is confusion.</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: Where is the result of your...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: We can say, "Where is the result of your belief?"</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: Confusion.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Confusion is not... Chaotic condition, confusion is not proper stage. That is a state of suffering. That is the position at the present moment. Otherwise, why they are fighting, nation to nation, man to man, group to group, community to community, diplomat to dip...? They're simply fighting like cats and dogs. This is not perfect society. Simply ca... They can say dogs. They can simply make barking, "Whowf! Whowf! Whowf! Whowf!" That is not perfect society. Human society should be sober. That is Vedic civilization.</p>
<p>Svarūpa Dāmodara: But one should follow the standard morality. When that standard set is lacking or it fails to understand, then people try to speculate their own thing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. No. Nobody's following any standard. Just like these Western people, mostly Christians. It is clearly stated in the Bible, "Thou shalt not kill." They're simply killing. Their only business is killing.</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: And divorce.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And divorce.</p>
<p>Bali Mardana: It says, "Thou shalt not commit adultery."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So these rascals, how do they claim Christian? Eh? What do you think? They're not even category, in the category of dogs, cats, and they're claiming that "We are follower of Lord Jesus Christ."</p>
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