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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="4" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1971 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1971 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationJanuary171971Allahabad_0" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="2" link="Room Conversation -- January 17, 1971, Allahabad" link_text="Room Conversation -- January 17, 1971, Allahabad">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 17, 1971, Allahabad|Room Conversation -- January 17, 1971, Allahabad]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Guest (1): That is what I say. Any spirit will have certain form.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not certain form. He has got his original form.</p>
<p>Guest (1): Original means all the... We are living from the eternal...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Eternally you have got a form.</p>
<p>Guest (1): From the eternal we have got certain form.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is material. Past certain form, that is material. But you have got an original spiritual form.</p>
<p>Guest (1): Spiritual form is there but due to the bond man has taken this form.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This form is being developed according to your mental condition.</p>
<p>Guest (1): Mental conditions are due to want.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Subtle form, subtle form.</p>
<p>Guest (1): Those are again due to want.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Due to want? Yes.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationJanuary171971Allahabad_1" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="2" link="Room Conversation -- January 17, 1971, Allahabad" link_text="Room Conversation -- January 17, 1971, Allahabad">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 17, 1971, Allahabad|Room Conversation -- January 17, 1971, Allahabad]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes. So as I liked, so I have got shirt and coat. This is material. But originally, spiritual form is the same as you have got, I have got, she has got a form, everyone. That is original form.</p>
<p>Guest (1): Now, our question... (indistinct) We try. Now, question of earning also, the definition is not here, being...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The question of earning comes so long you have got this material form. But from the spiritual form there is no question of earning.</p>
<p>Guest (1): In what way we will live in that spiritual form?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That you have to know. That you have to know. Ānanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhiḥ (Bs. 5.37). That spiritual form means complete blissfulness, complete knowledge, and eternity.</p>
<p>Guest (1): Turiya.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Turiya, yes.</p>
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<div id="TelevisionInterviewJuly291971Gainesville_2" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="11" link="Television Interview -- July 29, 1971, Gainesville" link_text="Television Interview -- July 29, 1971, Gainesville">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Television Interview -- July 29, 1971, Gainesville|Television Interview -- July 29, 1971, Gainesville]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Interviewer: As confirmed by all the Vedic scriptures and by the great sages in the disciplic succession, He has a body made of eternity, bliss, and all knowledge. God has infinite forms and expansions. But of all His forms, His original form, His transcendental form, is as a cowherd boy. A form which He reveals only to His most confidential devotees. So go the teachings of Kṛṣṇa as laid down in the Vedic literature. And of the sages in the disciplic succession, which I mentioned, one is our guest for this conversation today. He is His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, founder of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, foremost teacher in the West of the Kṛṣṇa philosophy, which, moreover, he teaches not only by word, but by example. He came to this country in 1965 on orders of his spiritual master. As a Kṛṣṇa disciple, he is the present human exponent of a line of succession going back five hundred years to the appearance in India of Lord Caitanya, and beyond that, to a time five thousand years ago when Lord Kṛṣṇa Himself was on this planet and His words were recorded. Welcome, sir. What is Kṛṣṇa consciousness?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Kṛṣṇa consciousness means that every living being, part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa has got many expansion. That is called personal expansion and separated expansion. So separated expansions we are, we living entities. But although we are very intimately connected with Kṛṣṇa, somehow or other we are now separated by contact of material nature. So we have practically forgotten that we are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Actually that is the fact. And because... Just like a rich man's son. Somehow or other, he has forgotten his father, and he's loitering in the street as a poor man. But actually that is not his position. He has forgotten simply. So our, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means we are trying to invoke that original consciousness that he's part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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<div id="InterviewJuly291971Gainesville_3" class="quote" parent="1971_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="14" link="Interview -- July 29, 1971, Gainesville" link_text="Interview -- July 29, 1971, Gainesville">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Interview -- July 29, 1971, Gainesville|Interview -- July 29, 1971, Gainesville]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Interviewer: All right. (aside to associate:) You're going to cue me, right? (addressing audience:) Lord Kṛṣṇa is the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as confirmed by all the Vedic scriptures and by the great sages in disciplic succession. He has a body made of eternity, bliss and all knowledge. God has infinite forms and expansions, but of all His forms, His original form, His transcendental form, is as a cowherd boy, a form which He reveals only to His most confidential devotees. So go the teachings of Kṛṣṇa as laid down in the Vedic literature. And of the sages in the disciplic succession, which I mentioned, one is our guest for this conversation today. He is His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, founder of the International Society for Kṛṣṇa Consciousness, foremost teacher in the West of the Kṛṣṇa philosophy, which, moreover, he teaches not only by word but by example. He came to this country in 1965, on orders of his spiritual master. As a Kṛṣṇa disciple he is the present human exponent of a line of succession going back five hundred years to the appearance in India of Lord Caitanya, and beyond that to a time five thousand years ago, when Lord Kṛṣṇa Himself was on this planet and His words were recorded. Welcome, sir. What..., what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa consciousness means that every living being, part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa has got many expansions. That is called personal expansion and separated expansion. So separated expansions we are, we living entities. But although we are very intimately connected with Kṛṣṇa, somehow or other we are now separated by contact of material nature. So we have practically forgotten that we are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Actually, that is a fact. And because he forgets, just like a rich man's son, somehow or other he has forgotten his father, and he's loitering in the streets a poor man. But actually that is not his position.</p>
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<div id="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1973 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1973 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithSirAlistairHardyJuly211973London_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="48" link="Room Conversation with Sir Alistair Hardy -- July 21, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Sir Alistair Hardy -- July 21, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Sir Alistair Hardy -- July 21, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Sir Alistair Hardy -- July 21, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Prakṛtiṁ svām adhiṣṭhāya.</p>
<p>Pradyumna: Sambhavāmy ātma-māyayā ([[Vanisource:BG 4.6 (1972)|BG 4.6]]). "Although I am unborn and My transcendental body never deteriorates, and although I am the Lord of all sentient beings, I still appear in every millennium in My original, transcendental form."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Read the purport.</p>
<p>Pradyumna: "The Lord has spoken about the peculiarity of His birth. Although He may appear like an ordinary person, He remembers everything of His many, many past births, whereas a common man cannot remember what he has done even a few hours before. If someone is asked what he did exactly at the same time one day earlier, it would be very difficult for a common man to answer immediately. He would surely have to dredge his memory to recall what he was doing exactly at the same time one day before. And yet, men often dare claim to be God, or Kṛṣṇa. One should not be misled by such meaningless claims. Then again, the Lord explains His prakṛti, or His form. Prakṛti means nature, as well as svarūpa, or one's own form. The Lord says that He appears in His own body. He does not change His body as the common living entity changes from one body to another. The conditioned soul may have one kind of body in the present birth, but yet a different body in the next birth. In the material world, the living entity has no fixed body, but transmigrates from one body to another.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithSirAlistairHardyJuly211973London_1" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="48" link="Room Conversation with Sir Alistair Hardy -- July 21, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Sir Alistair Hardy -- July 21, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Sir Alistair Hardy -- July 21, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Sir Alistair Hardy -- July 21, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Read the purport.</p>
<p>Pradyumna: "The Lord has spoken about the peculiarity of His birth. Although He may appear like an ordinary person, He remembers everything of His many, many past births, whereas a common man cannot remember what he has done even a few hours before. If someone is asked what he did exactly at the same time one day earlier, it would be very difficult for a common man to answer immediately. He would surely have to dredge his memory to recall what he was doing exactly at the same time one day before. And yet, men often dare claim to be God, or Kṛṣṇa. One should not be misled by such meaningless claims. Then again, the Lord explains His prakṛti, or His form. Prakṛti means nature, as well as svarūpa, or one's own form. The Lord says that He appears in His own body. He does not change His body as the common living entity changes from one body to another. The conditioned soul may have one kind of body in the present birth, but yet a different body in the next birth. In the material world, the living entity has no fixed body, but transmigrates from one body to another. The Lord, however, does not do so. Whenever He appears, He does so in the same original body by His internal potency. In other words, Kṛṣṇa appears in this material world in his original eternal form with two hands, holding a flute. He appears exactly in His eternal body, uncontaminated by this material world. Although He appears in the same transcendental body and is the Lord of the universe, it still appears that He takes His birth like an ordinary living entity.</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithLordBrockwayJuly231973London_2" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="50" link="Room Conversation with Lord Brockway -- July 23, 1973, London" link_text="Room Conversation with Lord Brockway -- July 23, 1973, London">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Lord Brockway -- July 23, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Lord Brockway -- July 23, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: No, that's all right. This is recognition. But this "knight," this very word, means "associates of the monarch?" Is that...? No.</p>
<p>Lord Brockway: I don't think so. It may have done in its original form...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Lord Brockway: ...when the number of knights were much less than they are today.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: I see.</p>
<p>Lord Brockway: But there'll be too many today to be associates.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Now it has come to another platform. So anyway, the knights, they are respectable gentlemen of the society, leading men of the society. So our, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is meant for enlightening people to the right standard of understanding the goal of life. Because after this life, after this body is annihilated, we do not know what kind of body we are getting next. We must prepare. Just like you are elevated to the position of lordship. So you had to prepare yourself. Not that this lordship is offered to anyone and everyone. One who is qualified, he is offered this position. Similarly, we should know how we are becoming qualified for the next life.</p>
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<div id="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1974 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="MorningWalkMarch311974Bombay_0" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="50" link="Morning Walk -- March 31, 1974, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- March 31, 1974, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- March 31, 1974, Bombay|Morning Walk -- March 31, 1974, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Why do you say, "I don't see Kṛṣṇa"? Kṛṣṇa says, "I am here, that, as prabhāsmi śaśi-sūryayoḥ," But why don't you see?</p>
<p>Guest (3): God is there. But we want to see original form of Lord Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, no. That will take three millions of years to understand. (laughter) That is already explained. Manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye, yatatām api siddhānām ([[Vanisource:BG 7.3 (1972)|BG 7.3]]). That is not so easy.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Māṁ vetthi tattvataḥ.</p>
<p>Guest (3): What is the method of seeing God?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Here, bhakti-yoga. That is, that is, that is the beginning.</p>
:mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha
:yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ
:asaṁśayaṁ samagraṁ māṁ
:yathā jñāsyasi tac chṛṇu
:([[Vanisource:BG 7.1 (1972)|BG 7.1]])
:That is being explained.
<p>Mr. Sar: No, my doubt is that some people must have become siddha in this age also, must have seen Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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<div id="MorningWalkApril51974Bombay_1" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="55" link="Morning Walk -- April 5, 1974, Bombay" link_text="Morning Walk -- April 5, 1974, Bombay">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 5, 1974, Bombay|Morning Walk -- April 5, 1974, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: For devotee, that is a terrible form. That is not very pleasing. Therefore they do not worship the virāṭ form. They worship Kṛṣṇa's original, dvi-bhuja. Dvi-bhuja murlīdhāra śyāmasundara. That is the original form.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That is what we say.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, Dvi-bhuja murlidhara śyāmasundara. Venuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣaṁ barhāvataṁsam asitāmbudha-sundarāṅgam (Bs. 5.30). Arcā-vigraha. Venuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣaṁ barhāvataṁ... Barha, this peacock feather. They are described in the Vedic literature, but these rascals say, "That it is imagination. They have imagined." The Māyāvādīs say, "They have imagined a form of God as Kṛṣṇa, with peacock feather, with murlī." But that's not the fact. The fact is there in the Vedic literature. So Kṛṣṇa has got this universal form, but the devotees are not interested with this universal form. But they know that Kṛṣṇa has universal form. Go on.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: (reads next verse 11.21 in Sanskrit)</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationJune201974Germany_2" class="quote" parent="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="125" link="Room Conversation -- June 20, 1974, Germany" link_text="Room Conversation -- June 20, 1974, Germany">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- June 20, 1974, Germany|Room Conversation -- June 20, 1974, Germany]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Yes. (indistinct) That is the real education. And all this rascal education will not help because all this education will keep you within this material body. The real relief is how to get you out of this material entanglement. Tyaktva dehaṁ punar janma ([[Vanisource:BG 4.9 (1972)|BG 4.9]]). (indistinct) After giving up this material body, no more acceptance of this material body. That is real education. And Bhāgavata says pitā na sa syāj jananī na sā syāt, gurur na sa syāt, na mocayed yaḥ samupeta-mṛtyum. There is no need of becoming father unless you train up your child to accept no more this material body. The child should be trained up by the father. The guru should train up the disciple in such a way that the disciple or the child or the student will not have to accept any more material body. (indistinct) The whole Vedic education system how to stop acceptance of material body. That is called mukti. Mukti, the definition of mukti is given in the Bhāgavata, muktir hitvānyathā rūpam. Mukti means when one is able to give up another form of body. He has got his own body, spiritual body, but so long as he has to accept another form of body, he is conditioned. Bhāgavata, muktir hitvānyathā rūpam sva-rūpeṇa vyavasthitiḥ. Mukti means to stay in his original spiritual form. Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to educate people how to achieve the original consciousness, that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.</p>
<p>Guest: Yes. Well, but this in one form or another is the aim of any true tradition.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: True?</p>
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomCoversationwithPsychiatristandIndianBoyMay121975Perth_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="68" link="Room Coversation with Psychiatrist and Indian Boy -- May 12, 1975, Perth" link_text="Room Coversation with Psychiatrist and Indian Boy -- May 12, 1975, Perth">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Coversation with Psychiatrist and Indian Boy -- May 12, 1975, Perth|Room Coversation with Psychiatrist and Indian Boy -- May 12, 1975, Perth]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Paramahaṁsa: He says he's read many books about Kṛṣṇa in Hindi also. But maybe he means Chapter Four, verse six, where Kṛṣṇa says He comes again in this world in His original form. Do you have any questions about Kṛṣṇa?</p>
<p>Indian boy: Actually, I want to know how could I get more involved in, say, in religion, and... Want to become a truer devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, you know, sacrifice myself really. How could I be one of pure devotee?</p>
<p>Paramahaṁsa: He wants to know how to become a pure devotee.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You live with us and you will become pure devotee. They are pure devotees. You live with them and do whatever they are doing, their examples, and you will become pure devotee. Just like in a workshop, if you admit yourself without any knowledge, if you work with the workshop man, gradually you will learn how to work. It is not difficult. Formerly this was the custom in India, that when somebody sends his son to any workshop or any shopkeeper without any pay, so gradually he learns. And the master says, "Now I engage you with some pay." That is the way. Sataṁ prasaṅgāt. By living with devotees, you'll learn devotion. So if you are serious, you are welcome. You can live with us and behave according to the other devotees. Then he's a...</p>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithwriterSandyNixonJuly131975Philadelphia_1" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="141" link="Room Conversation with writer, Sandy Nixon -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia" link_text="Room Conversation with writer, Sandy Nixon -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with writer, Sandy Nixon -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia|Room Conversation with writer, Sandy Nixon -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: He is everything. He is spirit and matter, everything. But you cannot see Him as spiritual identity. Therefore He has appeared in material form so that you can see. This is Deity. He is God, but you cannot see Him in His original spiritual form at the present moment. Therefore, out of His unbounded mercy, He has appeared before you just like made of wood and stone so that you can see.</p>
<p>Woman: Thank you very much.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. So you are coming daily in our meeting?</p>
<p>Sandy Nixon: Not daily, but I'll come.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's nice. This gentleman...?</p>
<p>Devotee: This is my father.</p>
<p>Father: Your Grace...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh. Thank you very much. (chuckles)</p>
<p>Devotee: And my mother.</p>
<p>Mother: Hare Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh. So you are all fortunate. You have got such a nice son.</p>
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<div id="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="9" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1976 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1976 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="GardenConversationJune231976NewVrindaban_0" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="157" link="Garden Conversation -- June 23, 1976, New Vrindaban" link_text="Garden Conversation -- June 23, 1976, New Vrindaban">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Garden Conversation -- June 23, 1976, New Vrindaban|Garden Conversation -- June 23, 1976, New Vrindaban]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That is real atmosphere. Sva-rūpeṇa vyavasthitiḥ. Mukti means to stay in the original form.</p>
<p>Devotee (1): I've heard that you use the example that spirit has form and therefore the body also has similar form, just as a hand has a form in a glove, it's the hand's similar form. So how can we understand that the trees have a certain form? That..., is there spirit in the form of a tree?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Devotee (1): Then how do we explain the transmigration of the soul?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This outward is a form. What is the difficulty? Describe.</p>
<p>Pradyumna: Just as this human body has a human form, we say that because this body has a form, the soul also must have form.</p>
<p>Devotee (1): Talking about the transmigration then.</p>
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<div id="EveningDarsanaJuly61976WashingtonDC_1" class="quote" parent="1976_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="187" link="Evening Darsana -- July 6, 1976, Washington, D.C." link_text="Evening Darsana -- July 6, 1976, Washington, D.C.">
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Evening Darsana -- July 6, 1976, Washington, D.C.|Evening Darsana -- July 6, 1976, Washington, D.C.]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: He does not come in human form. He is like human being, dvi-bhuja. That is also explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. He's... In the Bible it is said that man is made after God. The human being, two hands, two legs, this body they have got, that is the original form of God. But because He comes in that form, avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam ([[Vanisource:BG 9.11 (1972)|BG 9.11]]), they think that He is a man. His original form is (like) that. But because we are habituated to see two hands, two legs of human being, we take Him as human being. But that is His original form. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā. Find out. So if we accept Him as a human being like us, then we are mūḍhā, rascals. He says avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam paraṁ bhāvam ajānanto ([[Vanisource:BG 9.11 (1972)|BG 9.11]]). They do not know what is behind this human form. God is omnipotent, almighty. He can take any form He likes. You cannot check Him. You cannot say "How Brahman can come in a human form?" Why He cannot come? If He is all-powerful, where is the difficulty? Taking your argument, if Brahman is all-powerful, then where is the difficulty for Him to come as a human being?</p>
<p>Guest (2): No, there cannot be no difficulty. That is reasonable.</p>
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<div id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Evening Darsana -- May 15, 1977, Hrishikesh|Evening Darsana -- May 15, 1977, Hrishikesh]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: If the dress has got hand and leg, then the person who is putting on the dress, he must have hand and... So this is the conclusion. When in the śāstra it is said that "God has no leg, no hand," that... In the Upaniṣad it said that "He has no leg, but He can walk swifter than anyone." So that means He has got a different type of leg. And that is summarized, īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ (Bs. 5.1). His vigraha, His form, is not material form. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśri... ([[Vanisource:BG 9.11 (1972)|BG 9.11]]). Because Kṛṣṇa comes as a human being, the foolish mūḍha-mūḍha means rascal-rascal thinks that "He is also one of us." But Kṛṣṇa says, "No, no," sambhavāmy ātma-māyayā ([[Vanisource:BG 4.6 (1972)|BG 4.6]]), "I come here in My original, spiritual form." Sambhavāmy ātma-māyayā. So these are to be understood. So manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu ([[Vanisource:BG 7.3 (1972)|BG 7.3]]). Because they cannot understand—they cannot make distinction what is spiritual, what is material-therefore they cannot understand Kṛṣṇa. Manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye. First of all one has to understand what is material, what is spiritual. So unless one comes to the spiritual understanding, he cannot understand Kṛṣṇa. Manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye ([[Vanisource:BG 7.3 (1972)|BG 7.3]]).</p>
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