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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1974]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1974 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">This sleep means temporary. Again the subtle mind, intelligence, come back. So death means no more coming back. It goes elsewhere. That is death. Is it clear?
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- March 31, 1974, Bombay|Morning Walk -- March 31, 1974, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Dr. Patel: Astadhā, that's the lower prakṛti of God.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, so now the study, first study, begins from material point of view: Wherefrom the sky came? How the sky came into existence? First of all sky. Then, from sky, there is sound. Then, from sound there is air. From air, there is... Along with these creations... the sky creation means the air creation also, the reception of the sound. So in this way it is all described in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam very nicely, how creation took place. Then, ultimately, we come to the land, where all the qualities of other elements are there. There is sound. There is touch. There is vision. There is smell. Everything is there. So... And the subtle matters. Mind, citta, intelligence, then buddh... intelligence. Then false ego. This is... At the present moment, everyone is thinking in the bodily concept of life: "I am American." "I am Indian." "I am brāhmaṇa." "I am kṣatriya." This is false ego. He's not, neither of them. Because he's spirit soul, a different identity. So these, how the subtle mind, intelligence, are working, one should know. How transmigration of the soul takes place? By the action of mind, intelligence and ego. They do not know. There is no such science. There are so many universities all over the world. But who is studying all these things? The psychologists, they have studied a little more about thinking, feeling and willing. That's all. But they do not know how he is working, how he is carrying the subtle soul to other body. That they do not know.</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: Apareyam itas tu...</p>
<p>Guest (2): Why do you not explain that?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Guest (2): Why do you not explain that about subtle being carried forward?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That is going to come now.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Subtle body... Just like your body at night is on the bed, but you are carried by the thinking, feeling, intelligence to somewhere else. Is it not? So how are you are carried? You are actually lying on the bed. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. It is carried by the subtle body. Similarly, death means that this body stops working. But the subtle mind... Exactly in the same way. Just as while you are sleeping this gross body has stopped to work, but the subtle body is working.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That is in, I mean, svapna.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Svapna, yes.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: But that does not work in deep sleep.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: In deep sleep it does not work, no?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This sleep means temporary. Again the subtle mind, intelligence, come back. So death means no more coming back. It goes elsewhere. That is death. Is it clear? Eh?</p>
<p>Lilavati: How is it possible to forget?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Lilavati: The subtle body...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, you forget. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jayo. You forget. When you dream, you forget that you have got this gross body and you are the father of such and such or mother of such and such.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Because this is all due to mind only.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. The mind, mind forgets. The subtle body works. Similarly, we are dying daily. That is also death.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Nitya pralaya.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Nitya pralaya. But... When... Now, because the body is fit, therefore we come again to enjoy with the body, kṣetra. We come to the kṣetra. Just like you are tilling some land, but when it becomes useless, you cannot till. You have to go elsewhere. Suppose it is overflooded. You cannot work there. Similarly, death means when the mind, intelligence, along with the soul, cannot work in this body, he has to go to some other body. Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 2.13 (1972)|BG 2.13]]). Dehāntara-prāptiḥ.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That is when the prarabdhaḥ...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that will be decided by the prarabdhaḥ and everything. So in this way, death means this gross body, no more working. That's all.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Subtle body lives always.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Till, till it is, I mean, liquidated from the māyā's clutches and...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Till...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: ...comes into the Goloka with Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. The vīta-rāga. When you, when you are completely freed from all attachment of this material world, then tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti ([[Vanisource:BG 4.9 (1972)|BG 4.9]]).</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Mām eti.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Mām eti.</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: Yadā sarve prabhur jante kāmāni manaḥ śaśvataḥ.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Then you do not come again. Mām eti. You go back to home, back to Godhead.</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: Apareyam itas tv anyāṁ prakṛtiṁ viddhi me parām, jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bāho... ([[Vanisource:BG 7.5 (1972)|BG 7.5]]).</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (Aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: ...yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Jaya.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That is consciousness, the consciousness...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: The aparā prakṛti. This is...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, no.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Para-prakṛti.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not consciousness. Consciousness is also matter. Consciousness...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: There are two prakṛtis.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Prakṛti... That prakṛti's soul. That prakṛti is soul, para-prakṛti.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Para-prakṛti, yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Soul is also prakṛti. Soul is not puruṣa. The Māyāvādīs, they consider soul as puruṣa. But it is spoken in the Bhagavad-gītā as prakṛti. Prakṛti... Jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bāho ([[Vanisource:BG 7.5 (1972)|BG 7.5]]). Jīva-bhūtā, the soul which is now covered with this material body is called jīva-bhūtā.</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: Apareyam itas tv anyāt.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So therefore it is decided that both these material elements and the soul, both of them are prakṛtis. One is superior; another is inferior.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Aparā prakṛti is soul.</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: No, no,...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: Aparā is matter.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Matter, yes.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: The para...</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: The para is the soul.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Para is the soul.</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: Jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bāho. That is also prakṛti word.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat ([[Vanisource:BG 7.5 (1972)|BG 7.5]]).</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And... No, no. What is the...? What is the proof of the soul? Now, yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat. One who is working with this inferior energy. Just like I am working with this body.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: It animates the inferior energy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: It animates the inferior prakṛti.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, working, working. One is the worker, and another is the working ingredient, prakṛti.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Jagat. Because...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: That means the jagat is being held by that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Because... This Bombay city is important because there are so many para-prakṛtis. If there was no living entity, who cares for the Bombay city?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: So living entity is the para-prakṛti.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: Oh, living entity is the para-prakṛti.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Para. But prakṛti. But it is prakṛti. It is not puruṣa. Therefore this prakṛti is trying to become puruṣa here. That is illusion.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Or, or people calling prakṛti as puruṣa is Māyāvāda.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh? No, no. Prakṛti, jīva, yayedaṁ dhāryate ja... They are working... They are trying to enjoy. But... They are trying to be enjoyer. But that is not possible. Prakṛti is enjoyed. Just like strī-puruṣa. Puruṣa is enjoyer, and strī is enjoyed. Similarly, prakṛti is used for the satisfaction of the puruṣa. So if the jīva is prakṛti, then the puruṣa, puruṣa is the Supreme Person. Therefore his business is to satisfy the Supreme Purusa. This is bhakti-yoga.</p>
<p>Guest (1): Then, then isn't it sāṅkhya?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, it is sāṅkhya.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: Prakṛti trying to satisfy puruṣa is a sāṅkhya philosophy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. This is sāṅkhya. This is sāṅkhya philosophy.</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: Jīva is the prakṛti.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Prakṛti.</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: Oh, jīva is prakṛti. Ah.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And the Māyāvādī philosophy, they say it is puruṣa. Therefore... Therefore aviśuddha-buddhayaḥ. The Māyāvādīs, Māyāvādīs are described as aviśuddha-buddhayaḥ.</p>
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