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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
[[Category:Questions On... Sin, Morality, Good, Evil]]
[[Category:Questions On... Regulated Life, Regulative Principles]]
[[Category:Questions From... Religious Clergy]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">Yes.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Jesuit -- May 19, 1975, Melbourne|Room Conversation with Jesuit -- May 19, 1975, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Devotee:</p>
:puruṣaḥ prakṛti-stho hi
:bhuṅkte prakṛti-jān guṇān
:kāraṇaṁ guṇa-saṅgo 'sya
:sad-asad-yoni-janmasu
:([[Vanisource:BG 13.22 (1972)|BG 13.22]])
<p>"The living entity in material nature thus follows the ways of life, enjoying the three modes of nature. This is due to his association with that material nature. Thus he meets with good and evil amongst various species."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Now the material nature has gone, three modes goodness, passion and ignorance, and mixture. So we are association with the modes of material nature and according to that nature we are manufacturing our next body. This is the... So in the material world we are infecting several types of quality of the nature. Not everyone is on the same quality. Just like these boys, they are being trained up under certain quality, they're not going to the restaurant, they are not going to the liquor shop, they're not smoking, they're not eating meat, they are no illicit sex, they are being trained up, this is a quality. And another man is going to the liquor shop, to the brothel, so many other things. They're not of the same quality.</p>
<p>Jesuit: What is it all leading to? A state of liberation from material things?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, there are two... Now in the human form of life, we have got two selection, I think in the Bible also it is said that one goes to hell, one goes to heaven. So we have got two selection, either to the path of hellish condition or to the path of back to home, back to Godhead. This is human life. It is in Sanskrit word it is called pravṛtti-mārga, nivṛtti-mārga. Nivṛtti-mārga means stopping the material way of life and go to the spiritual world, back to home, back to Godhead.</p>
<p>Jesuit: Does that name, that the things such as, you mentioned smoking and alcohol and sex and meat, that all those things are material and therefore bad?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Jesuit: Take sex, how can that be considered...?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Or Christian religion also there is celibacy, life, you also trained up, the nuns, the priests, they are not meant for marrying.</p>
<p>Jesuit: That's true. We don't say that sex is bad.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Why they are forbidden to marry?</p>
<p>Jesuit: Well, it's a question of something I freely accept, freely accept not to marry.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. No, this is spiritual life. Sex life is not spiritual life.</p>
<p>Jesuit: That I find so hard to accept because everything that God makes is good. When God makes a man...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Good, what is good for you is not good for me, one man's food is another man's poison.</p>
<p>Jesuit: But everything that God makes is good.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right, good for somebody. Just like stool, stool is good for the pigs not for the human being.</p>
<p>Jesuit: But everything that God makes...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Not everything is good. The pigs considers stool is very good, nice food.</p>
<p>Jesuit: Every man is made with sex appetites. Every man is...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that is called pravṛtti, pravṛttir eṣā bhūtānāṁ nivṛttis tu mahā-phalā. This is natural inclination, but if you can stop it, that is victory.</p>
<p>Jesuit: No, I can't accept that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Now why you do not accept? In the Christian religion there is unmarried life.</p>
<p>Jesuit: Married life is a good life. The use of sex is good.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Good?</p>
<p>Jesuit: Eating is good. If it's abused it's bad.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. Married life is good, that if you follow the rules and regulations. Otherwise...</p>
<p>Jesuit: Therefore sex, in itself, is good.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Sex is good, that is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, dharmāviruddhaḥ kāmo 'smi. Find out, balaṁ balavatām asmi dharma..., like that.</p>
<p>Devotee:</p>
:balaṁ balavatāṁ cāhaṁ
:kāma-rāga-vivarjitam
:dharmāviruddho bhūteṣu
:kāmo 'smi bharatarṣabha
<p>"I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O lord of the Bhāratas."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Just see.</p>
<p>Jesuit: What is this book?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This is Bhagavad-gītā. He is speaking, the God is speaking.</p>
<p>Jesuit: OK.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So dharmāviruddha, sex life which is not against religious principle, that I am. Kṛṣṇa, God says. So sex life is not bad provided it is under the religious system.</p>
<p>Jesuit: That's true of everything, yes. I thought you were saying sex in itself is bad.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Sex life...</p>
<p>Jesuit: There have been people in the history of the world like the Manicheans and that who held that sex in itself was bad. Now I couldn't accept that. It's part of man.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, dharmāviruddha. Just you can have sex for begetting nice children but not for sense gratification.</p>
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