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<div class="heading">Caitanya Mahāprabhu strictly prohibits that if you have become niṣkiñcana,renounced order, with a idea of going forward, bhava-sāgarasya, on the other side of the ocean, then aspiring after money and women is lower than dying, committing suicide. Hā hanta hanta viṣa-bhakṣaṇato 'py asādhu. If you take poison, that is criminal.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 1.10.11-12 -- Mayapura, June 25, 1973|Lecture on SB 1.10.11-12 -- Mayapura, June 25, 1973]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">
Prabhupāda: So anyone who is interested in this highest perfection of life, ''punar janma naiti mām eti'', not to take birth again in this material world, but to go back home, back to Godhead, such person . . . Caitanya Mahāprabhu speaks for such person: ''niṣkiñcanasya jigamiṣor bhava-sāgarasya, pāraṁ paraṁ jigamiṣor bhava-sāgarasya'' ([[vanisource:CC Madhya 11.8|CC Madhya 11.8]]). ''Pāraṁ paraṁ jigamiṣoḥ.'' Just like we are on this side of the sea; we want to go the other side of the sea. Similarly this ''bhava-samudra'', we are on this part of the sea, material world. If we want to go to the other side, spiritual world, so we have to become ''niṣkiñcana. Niṣkiñcana'' means no more possessing anything material. That is called ''niṣkiñcana''.

If we hanker after possessing material . . . therefore ''sannyāsa. Sannyāsa'' means simply possess Kṛṣṇa, no other possession. That is ''niṣkiñcana''. You have to possess something. Suppose you have got something, one copper coin or silver coin. So if you dispossess, if you throw it away, then what is the gain? Whatever you had, gone. But if you throw the copper coin or the silver coin, and if you accept a gold coin, then you are profitted. Then it is profit. So ''niṣkiñcana'', to simply become ''niṣkiñcana'', renounced of everything . . . just like Māyāvādī ''sannyāsī'', they do. ''Brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā''. Yes. But ''brahma satyam'', they do not understand what is the actual ''satya-vastu.'' That ''satya-vastu'' is Bhagavān. They do not search after Bhagavān; simply the light, effulgence of Bhagavān, ''brahma-jyotir''. They are satisfied.

(workers yelling in background)

(aside) What is that, trouble? Stop them.

So there are so many versions about ''sat-saṅga and asat-saṅga''. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu advises, ''niṣkiñcanasya pāraṁ paraṁ jigamiṣor bhava-sāgarasya sandarśanam atha yoṣitām.'' (yelling continues in background, louder) They're fighting? Or what . . .?

Pradyumna: ''Sandarśanaṁ viṣayiṇām atha yoṣitāṁ ca.''

Prabhupāda: Ah. ''Sandarśanam atha yoṣitāṁ viṣayiṇām atha yoṣitāṁ ca'' ([[vanisource:CC Madhya 11.8|CC Madhya 11.8]]). So ''niṣkiñcana'' means do not hanker after any more money and women. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu refused to see persons who are after money and woman, because by their association we may be infected. We may be again hankering after. Suppose I have taken ''sannyāsa'', and if I see one ''gṛhastha'' having a very faithful and beautiful wife, if I think, "Oh, I left my wife. If I would have possessed, I would have been happy," he's immediately fallen. Because within the mind he's associating with ''yoṣit''. Suppose we go to see some rich man. I see that he has got money, nice motorcar, nice building. If I think, "Oh, I have taken ''sannyāsa''. If I would have possessed all these things, I would have been . . ." then immediately fall down.

Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu strictly prohibits that if you have become ''niṣkiñcana'', renounced order, with a idea of going forward, ''bhava-sāgarasya'', on the other side of the ocean, then aspiring after money and women is lower than dying, committing suicide. ''Hā hanta hā hanta viṣa-bhakṣaṇato 'py asādhu'' ([[vanisource:CC Madhya 11.8|CC Madhya 11.8]]). If you take poison, that is criminal. Similarly, He says, "A man in renounced order of life, if he's thinking of woman and money, then he's committing suicide more than ordinary suicide." ''Viṣa-bhakṣaṇato 'py asādhu. Viṣa-bhakṣaṇa.'' If you drink poison, then you are criminal. If you survive, by law you'll be punished. Perhaps you know it. Anyone attempting to commit suicide, if he survives, by law he'll be punished: "Why you attempted suicide? This is criminal." Similarly, to see, to aspire after women and money by the renounced order people is lower than committing suicide. This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's version.

So actually who has associated with ''sādhu'', he cannot make any more association with ''asādhu''. Therefore it is said that ''sat-saṅgān mukta-duḥsaṅgaḥ. Mukta-duḥsaṅga. Mukta'' means completely liberated. Such person, ''hātuṁ notsahate budhaḥ,'' such person cannot give up the chanting of the holy name of the Lord. ''Kīrtyamānam''. He may try to go away, but he'll not be happy. He'll not be happy. We have seen practically. Some of our boys who have left, they come occasionally. Even he protests externally, internally he understands that he has committed a mistake by associating. ''Kīrtyamānam. Kīrtyamānaṁ yaśo yasya sakṛd ākarṇya rocanam''. The ''saṅkīrtana'', chanting of this holy name, is so pleasing that one cannot avoid it if once he has associated with devotees. This is the position.

Therefore for the Pāṇḍavas . . . of course, the holy name of the Lord and the Lord, they're identical. There is no difference. But still we are chanting the holy name of the Lord, and if the Lord comes personally, how much we shall be engladdened. So we are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa's name, but the Pāṇḍavas, they were practically associating with Kṛṣṇa. So if a person associating with devotees becomes interested in chanting the holy name of the Lord, how much it is impossible . . . how much it is impossible for the Pāṇḍavas to give up His association. Because they are so fortunate that ''darśana-sparśa-saṁlāpa-śayanāsana-bhojanaiḥ.''

They're in intimately friendly terms with Kṛṣṇa, that they're lying together, they're sitting together, they're eating together, always seeing Kṛṣṇa. How they can tolerate His separation? It is impossible. If a . . . ''satāṁ prasaṅgāt'', if a devotee cannot give up this chanting of His holy name, how the person who are actually seeing Kṛṣṇa, associating with Kṛṣṇa, can tolerate separation from Him? This is the purport.