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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
[[Category:Questions On... Human Beings, Other Species or Types of Living Entities]]
[[Category:Questions On... Pleasure and Sense Gratification]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">Hogs think like that... If you become hog, you will also think like that.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 5, 1975, Mayapur|Morning Walk -- April 5, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Anyway, if I'm always worried about the future, how will anything get done now? If I'm always worried about the future, how will anything get done now?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, we gave that you are not to think of future foolishly. Anyone who is going to school, it does not mean that he is not taking care of his body. The school-going is future, but still he's taking care of his body. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break)</p>
<p>Rāmeśvara: ...of survival of the fittest. If I have a lot of sense enjoyment, then that is God's will.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But nobody is fit to survive. (laughs) That is the real problem. You are struggling for surviving, but you'll not survive. That is nature's law.</p>
<p>Rāmeśvara: Well, they say that within this life...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Because... There is. But these rascals, they do not know how to survive. If you have got death, then where is your question of surviving?</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: So why not eat, drink, and be merry because tomorrow you die?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That's all right. That, animals are also doing. You can do that.</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: But the animals are happy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But why do you say survival? The animals do not think of survival.</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: I didn't mention survival. He did.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They are free. They are never worried about survival or death. Never.</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: So the animals are happy...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. But you...</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: But human beings are unhappy.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So therefore they are becoming generally, gliding down to animal life.</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: So isn't that better?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, for you. (laughter)</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: If the animals are happy and the human beings are unhappy, why not live like an animal?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So yes, they are coming to that, animal life. Then why do you call human civilization?</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: But if I stop all these activities, then there will be no more pleasure. If I stop all these activities...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, pleasure, you do not know what is pleasure. You rascal, you do not know what is pleasure. Just like the hog. He's also enjoying pleasure, eating stool. So your pleasure is like that. You eat stool and enjoy life. That is your standard of pleasure.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: But who...? We can say that because we're above the hogs.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: But what do the hogs think?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hogs think like that.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: They think they're enjoying.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: If you become hog, you will also think like that.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: But let us say just from our human standpoint...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then the human standpoint is... If a hog eating stool, you hate it.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: We hate it.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: But he doesn't hate it.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore... Because he is hog. You become hog. You'll not hate it.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: But what if I am human being? I am enjoying this material life...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then why do you hate that?</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: Well, I don't hate what I'm doing now, myself.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, if you are given a plate of stool, would you like to eat?</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: No.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then why? Why do you hate? Why do you hate?</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: But I'm not a hog now.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: They eat the hog.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: But I am not a hog.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And therefore you hate.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: I hate it because I'm not a hog.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: If I was a hog, I would like it.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. So become hog.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: No, I don't want to become hog.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then you'll have to hate.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: No, I want to stay as a human being and enjoy here.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then it is... (?) Then you'll hate.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: But someone else has to hate it, not the person who is actually enjoying it.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Who is enjoying stool? Human being?</p>
<p>Jayādvaita: They may say that "The hog... It's all right if I become a hog. So it doesn't matter if I become a hog or a dog because I may hate the hog's enjoyment while I'm a human being. When I'm a hog, I'll also like it."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So do that.</p>
<p>Jayādvaita: So it's all right.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The nature will give you the chance. If you want to enjoy stool next life, it will be available.(?) You enjoy. That is nature's law—"If you like this, come on. Take it." Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhutānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati ([[Vanisource:BG 18.61 (1972)|BG 18.61]]). Kṛṣṇa is situated in everyone's heart, and if He sees that "This rascal desires like this," immediately He orders to the material nature, "Give him a body like hog. He wants to enjoy." Brahmāyan sarva-bhūtāni yantrārūḍhāni māyayā. This is already stated. If you want a hog's body, immediately it is ready. You can get a dog's body, hog's body. Similarly, if you want devotee's body, that will be offered also to you. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante ([[Vanisource:BG 4.11 (1972)|BG 4.11]]). As you desire, Kṛṣṇa is ready to give you.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: But if the standard is happiness, and the hog is happy and the devotee is happy, then what is the distinction?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That distinction the hogs and dogs cannot make. That is for human beings.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: What happens if a human being can't distinguish...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is called māyā, that he cannot make any distinction. Both the same. That is māyā. Māyā-mohitaḥ. Just like on the street, there it is signboard: "Keep to the left." The hogs and dogs cannot do it. But human beings can do. That is the distinction between hogs and dogs and human being. Human being is supposed to make distinction. And the hogs and dogs are supposed not to make any distinction.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sign: "No dogs allowed."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The sign "No dogs allowed" is not meant for dog.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: Someone would say that that example just means that the hog doesn't speak your language.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: The hog doesn't speak your language, it doesn't mean that he doesn't discriminate...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Therefore language, civilized language, is not meant for the dogs and hogs.</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa: No, it's just different language.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No different, not different language. I mean to say that rules and regulations, books, they are not meant for hogs and dogs. Even their own language, it is said, they'll not understand.</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: So you say that two kinds of people enjoy life, the paramahaṁsas and the great fools. So what's wrong with being a great fool? They're also enjoying.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. You become. That's nice. If you want to remain a great fool, there is no checking you. You can go on.</p>
<p>Pañcadraviḍa: Well, then what, what is the check on fools? What is the check on fools?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There is no check on fools. You can do anything.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: How do we know that the animals don't know all of these great truths?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: How do we know that the animals don't know all of these truths?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Because they cannot follow. If you call the dogs and hogs, "Please come here. There will be Gītā lecture," they'll not come.</p>
<p>Nalinī-kānta: We have already had a hog's body. So we didn't like it. Otherwise, why would we change?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. By the process of nature automatically evolves. That is evolution. They do not know. But nature giving him chance, this type of body, this, more intelligent, more intelligent, more intelligent... Then you come to the human form of body, very good intelligence. And if he does not utilize it, again he becomes a hogs and dog. Go round, merry-go-round. Merry-go-round. If you don't take... You have got now. By evolution you have got this human form of body. If you do not utilize it properly, then again you become hog. So again, for millions' years. So...</p>
<p>Rūpānuga: They say, "We don't remember. We don't remember being a hog, so what is the harm?"</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
<p>Rūpānuga: We don't remember being a hog, so...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is hoggism, that you do not remember. Therefore you are hog. Because you do not remember, therefore you are hog. That is the distinction.</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Why did God create death in order to stop our enjoyment?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: What is that?</p>
<p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Why did God create death?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, therefore you are under the control of God. You understand it. So you cannot become free. Therefore death is there, ultimately. You are thinking you are free of the kingdom of God, or laws of God. "No, you are not free. You'll die and you'll accept another body and according to My decision." That is God. This is a question like "Why government created punishment? Why not enjoy ourself without any punishment?" It is a question like that. And that cannot be. It is not possible. That is the proof that there is God.</p>
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