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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1977]]
[[Category:Questions On... Spirituality (General)]]
[[Category:Questions On... Truth, Reality]]
[[Category:Questions On... Subtle Body - Mind, Intelligence, Ego]]
[[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Room Conversations, 1966 - 1977]]
[[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Room Conversations, 1977]]
[[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - in India, Bhuvanesvara]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">There is no question of subtle plane. You are on the gross plane. You first of all study gross things, and subtle, we shall see later on.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 28, 1977, Bhuvanesvara|Room Conversation -- January 28, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: That... You have read Caitanya-caritāmṛta? Guru-tattva. Guru-tattva. So there it is clearly said that guru is the manifestation of God. So it is confirmed in the śāstra. And all the ācāryas accept it. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ **.</p>
<p>Satsvarūpa: But is it possible to also learn spiritual truths from this..., from representatives on the subtle plane?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There is no question of subtle plane. You are on the gross plane. You first of all study gross things, and subtle, we shall see later on.</p>
<p>Pṛthu-putra: Of course, that was never a doubt. That's just the way I came to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And when I saw you...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So the guru is the representative of God. That's all right. Then what is your misunderstanding?</p>
<p>Pṛthu-putra: So then after I had some other things. For example, when I went to Egypt, in these pyramids one day I had some kind of contact on the subtle plane with persons who were supposed to live inside of the pyramids, and they gave me some kind of instructions.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Inside of the pyramid?</p>
<p>Pṛthu-putra: Yes. That was (wasn't) in the dream. But people, they were quite clear.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: These are just like we know gold and we know mountain...</p>
<p>Pṛthu-putra: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...and sometimes we mix together and we see golden mountain. So in dream we see like that. We have got hundreds and thousands of experiences in our this life and past life. They are all stocked there, and they can sometimes get like a bubbles. You have seen the bubbles come out? It is like that. We should not give much importance to these things. But it is a fact that bona fide spiritual master is bona fide representative of Kṛṣṇa. That's a fact. So there is no question of subtle or gross. It is a fact. That's all right.</p>
<p>Satsvarūpa: But we've been discussing, and Pṛthu-putra Mahārāja is saying that some devotees are very sensitive about thinking that they're having these experiences. And if we tell them, "Ignore this. It's not important," that will not be good for them, because they are definitely feeling visits from persons from another plane, and if you simply tell them, "No..."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, that's all right. You say that "You are fortunate that you're having, but do your business." That's all.</p>
<p>Pṛthu-putra: They want to feel satisfaction from Kṛṣṇa consciousness point of view.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right. Sometimes it may be fact. There is no wonder. But we have to proceed with the figure. If I dream that I am getting one lakh of rupees, so it is better if I get five rupees in figure. Is that all right?</p>
<p>Pṛthu-putra: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Simply dreaming I am getting one lakh of rupees, that is good, or actually, if you get five rupees, that is good? Which is good?</p>
<p>Pṛthu-putra: To get the actual five rupees.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So don't depend on the subtle thing. See practically what you are getting.</p>
<p>Satsvarūpa: What I thought was most dangerous is...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Most dangerous... Those who are neophyte, they will be always in danger.</p>
<p>Satsvarūpa: Sometimes these...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Always in danger because they are neophytes, just like a child is always in danger. So how you can save them? He's always in danger. So as far as possible, let us try. He's going to the fire. He's going to the water. He's going to the animal. He's eating some poison. So always in danger. That childish age is dangerous. Therefore mother takes care. Danger is already there because he's neophyte, kaniṣṭha-adhikārī. Therefore we have to abide by the injunction of the śāstra and guided by guru. That's all. That is our secure position. And otherwise danger always.</p>
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