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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1972]]
[[Category:Questions On... Human Beings, Other Species or Types of Living Entities]]
[[Category:Questions On... Reincarnation, Afterlife, Transmigration of the Soul]]
[[Category:Questions From... Public Officials]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="5" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1972 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1972 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithKennethKeatingUSAmbassadortoIndiaOctober141972NewDelhi_0" class="quote" parent="1972_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="42" link="Room Conversation with Kenneth Keating, U.S. Ambassador to India -- October 14, 1972, New Delhi" link_text="Room Conversation with Kenneth Keating, U.S. Ambassador to India -- October 14, 1972, New Delhi">
<div class="heading">Just so. Spirit soul individual. He is passing through the evolutionary process. Evolutionary process means as he is desiring, nature is supplying a particular type of body.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Kenneth Keating, U.S. Ambassador to India -- October 14, 1972, New Delhi|Room Conversation with Kenneth Keating, U.S. Ambassador to India -- October 14, 1972, New Delhi]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: ...body, and the body is considered as the dress, and the person who is dressed, that is within.</p>
:dehino 'smin yathā dehe
:kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā
:tathā dehāntara-prāptir
:dhīras tatra na muhyati
:([[Vanisource:BG 2.13 (1972)|BG 2.13]])
<p>Just like this child, this is a dress. Now, after some days this dress will be changed to another dress. After some time another dress, another dress. This body is dress, we should understand, but the person who is putting on the dress... Just like I remember my childhood state, dress and condition, my youthful condition. So many things I remember. So although the body has changed—either you say it has grown or changed—I am the same. Therefore conclusion should be that after giving up this dress, tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 2.13 (1972)|BG 2.13]]), I must have another body. This is the proof of immortality of the soul and transmigration from one body to another. Now, there are 8,400,000's of different dresses. There are 900,000 dresses within the water, then plants and trees, then insects, then birds. This is evolution of different dresses. The spirit soul is passing through different dresses.</p>
<p>Ambassador Keating: Both the human and the animals?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Just so. Spirit soul individual. He is passing through the evolutionary process. Evolutionary process means as he is desiring, nature is supplying a particular type of body.</p>
<p>Mrs. Keating: That's very interesting. I believe in the transmigration of the soul.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. It is a fact.</p>
<p>Mrs. Keating: It's very interesting.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: It is a fact. Just like this child is transmigrating from one body, one kind of body to another body. So in the same way, when I give up this body I transmigrate to another body. This is the science. Unfortunately, there is no university, no education, no culture of this great science. Therefore according to Bhāgavatam, the knowledge is imperfect. The knowledge which are imparting from universities, they are not perfect knowledge. And this human form of body is the opportunity to understand the position of the soul and how he is transmigrating from one body to another, what is happening next. In this way, in this human form of body, we can understand this science, science of soul. Unfortunately, no education is there to understand this science. So in other words, it may be taken that the modern civilization is killing the prerogative of the human being. He has got a chance to understand himself and to stop. He can stop this repetition of birth and death. He can remain in a spiritual form in the spiritual kingdom or with God, but these things are unknown to him, because there is no discussion in any university or any institution of knowledge. Although the Vedic literature gives us ample information of this—in the the Bhagavad-gītā, that is the preliminary study of all Vedic literature—but there is no chance for the people to understand. This is the defect of the modern civilization. Therefore it is necessary. And actually, because there is no sufficient knowledge of the position, I see the American boys and girls, although they are coming out very rich and respectable family, they are turning to hippies. In spite of your arrangement for very big, big university, they are becoming frustrated. They are no longer satisfied to live materially opulent like their fathers and grandfathers. In other countries also, the same symptoms are there. Just like in India, the Naxalites. So that is another form of confusion. In your country the confusion state is a different kind. Another type is another confusion. In China also there is another type of confusion. In Russia also there is another type of confusion. So the present position of the human society is very dangerous because everyone is feeling dissatisfaction for confusion.</p>
<p>Ambassador: Any way how to make any progress, or have you any representation, for instance, in Russia?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Russia... Last time when I went to Europe I visited Russia. I was invited by one Professor Kotovsky. Perhaps you know him.</p>
<p>Ambassador: No, I don't.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Ah. A very nice gentleman. Indology. He is charge of the Indological department. Russia has got very good respect for Indian culture.</p>
<p>Ambassador: Yes. That's right.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They have very good respect. So that.... (break)</p>
<p>Ambassador: ...have much, they don't believe in God.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: They do not know the (indistinct).</p>
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