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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
[[Category:Questions On... Preaching, Spreading Krsna Consciousness]]
[[Category:Questions On... Devotees of the Hare Krsna Movement]]
[[Category:Questions On... Geographical Places]]
[[Category:Questions From... Academics]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="RoomConversationwithDrCopelandProfessorofModernIndianHistoryMay201975Melbourne_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="84" link="Room Conversation with Dr. Copeland, Professor of Modern Indian History -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne" link_text="Room Conversation with Dr. Copeland, Professor of Modern Indian History -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne">
<div class="heading">Many.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Dr. Copeland, Professor of Modern Indian History -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne|Room Conversation with Dr. Copeland, Professor of Modern Indian History -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Madhudviṣa:</p>
:yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ
:janānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām
:te dvandva-moha-nirmuktā
:bhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ
:([[Vanisource:BG 7.28 (1972)|BG 7.28]])
<p>This is from the Bhagavad-gītā. Translation: "Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life, whose sinful actions are completely eradicated, and who are freed from the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with determination."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So this is not very ordinary thing. Pāpam, sinful life... At the present moment people are very, very much addicted to sinful life.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: Why?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Because they are less intelligent; therefore they don't care for death even. Neither they have got any idea what is going to happen after death. Formerly, people were afraid of committing sin. They knew that "After death, I will have to suffer." Now, at the present moment, the rascals are so daring, they do not care what is sin, what is going to happen next life. They do not care. That means less intelligent.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: What's going to happen to you in the next life?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: My life? According to śāstra, if we have actually developed Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we are going to Kṛṣṇa.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: And you are...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: I may not, but they will go. (laughter) And even it is a failure, then the next life he is guaranteed human life and very nice life. You find out this verse, śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭaḥ sañjāyate. </p>
<p>Madhudviṣa:</p>
:prāpya puṇya-kṛtāṁ lokān
:uṣitvā śāśvatīḥ samāḥ
:śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe
:yoga-bhraṣṭo' bhijāyate
:([[Vanisource:BG 6.41 (1972)|BG 6.41]])
<p>"Translation: The unsuccessful yogi, after many, many years of enjoyment on the planets of the pious living entities, is born into a family of righteous people, or into a family of rich aristocracy."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Even one is failure. And one who is successful? Then? Janma karma...</p>
<p>Madhudviṣa:</p>
:janma karma ca me divyam
:evaṁ yo vetti tattvataḥ
:tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma
:naiti mām eti so 'rjuna
:([[Vanisource:BG 4.9 (1972)|BG 4.9]])
<p>"Anyone who understands the transcendental nature of My birth and activities does not again return to this material world, but comes to My supreme abode."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: This is for the successful, and that is for the unsuccessful.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: And, while we're on success, how many people in India are becoming like these?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Many.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: As many as in the West, or more?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: More.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: Do you have more temples there than here?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. We have got very... Recently we have very big temple. There are many other temples in Vṛndāvana.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: And what is your relationship with, say, the Ramakrishna Mission?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, we have no relationship. We don't accept them as any authority.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: Why not?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Because they are not doing according to śāstra. They are doing whimsically.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: But they are doing very good social work.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That social work has nothing to do with spiritual work.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: Does this organization do social work?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, this is the best social work. We are giving the best education, best knowledge, best hope of next life. And what they are giving? They do not know what is next life even.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: When you do the translations...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: I have all translated during these ten years. I translated, began translating from 1968, or '9, I was publishing that Back to Godhead paper even from my gṛhastha life, from 1944.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: And when you do do the translation...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then I began translating from 1968 or '69. And I published my first book in 1962. Then next was in 1964. And then the third volume was published in 1965. And then I came to America. And then I translated all these books, whatever you see, about fifty books. This is about eleven hundred pages. Other books are not less than four hundred pages.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: Oh, yes. I have many in my shelf like these. Where and when did you learn English?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: In Calcutta. I was educated in a college. My professors were all Europeans.</p>
<p>Dr Copeland: Which college?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Scottish Churches' College. You know that? In our time Dr. Watt, he was principal. And I was student of philosophy of Dr. W. S. Urquhart. He was my professor. And our English professor was Mr. Cameron,(?) Mr. Scrimgeour, Mr. Warren. And I was student of economics also. One Mr. Keith, he was also... All our professors were Scotsmen, Englishmen.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: And after you left the college, were you employed?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, I was appointed manager of a very big laboratory, Dr. Bose's laboratory.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: Ah, yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You know?</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: I've heard of it. From another worker. While you were in the college or afterwards, did you participate in any political movements?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. I joined this Gandhi's.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: You did? Had you met Gandhi?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: I met several times, but not as personal interview. But I liked his movement, national movement.</p>
<p>Dr. Copeland: Why?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Young men, everyone likes politics. (Dr. Copeland laughs) Actually, later on, I did not like. When I was mature, when I met my Guru Mahārāja, then I thought all these things bogus. It has nothing, no value. Social movement, political movement, they are simply wasting time. Real movement is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.</p>
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