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[[Category:Prabhupada Responding to Comments]]
[[Category:Prabhupada Responding to Comments... 1976]]
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<h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<h3>1976 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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Yes. In the spiritual world, what is love, that is material world, lust.
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[[Vanisource:760812 - Conversation A - Tehran|760812 - Conversation A - Tehran]]
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Jñānagamya: They are analyzing the semina. They find DNA molecules, like this. But they cannot find the essence. They cannot understand the essence of it.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is my proposition. That is poor fund of knowledge. Still, they are trying to establish, "This is the cause."

Harikeśa: No, we can find. The essence is lust, because as soon as there is lust, automatically there's all these other things. So you don't have to make all these other things because automatically lust creates everything. There is no need...

Jñānagamya: But there's also lust. The scientists are lusty to create and experiment.

Prabhupāda: But you cannot create such lust.

Harikeśa: Oh, yes, I create it all the time.

Prabhupāda: Then why there is no life?

Jñānagamya: If I am a lusty scientist, then I can be lusty with a woman or I can be lusty with the test tubes and the chemicals. The lust is there, so why is there no artificial semina? The same lust is there. Desire for profit, adoration, distinction is there. So they are a failure.

Harikeśa: Our proposition is nothing like this. Our proposition is that lust is the creation of everything.

Prabhupāda: Therefore I charge.

Ātreya Ṛṣi: So we put you in a room with a lot of lust and you create a baby.

Harikeśa: No, that will happen automatically. You just..., the ingredients come together automatically.

Prabhupāda: Obstinate rascals. Not only rascal, but obstinate rascal. Their only remedy is shoe. That's all. Obstinacy. There is a story about obstinacy. Two friends were talking. One friend said, "This is cut by a scissor." So another friend says, "No, it is cut by the knife." So then there was fight. So the friend who was talking of the knife, he was strong enough. So he captured him: "You accept that it is scissor, otherwise I'll throw you in the water." So other, "No, it is scissor," so he threw him in the water. So when he was dying, he was doing like this.

(Prabhupāda makes a hand motion like scissor) (laughter)

So he is obstinate rascal.

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Prabhupāda: It is as good as that garden here. Rather, here there is no disturbance of outsiders, and there there are so many disturbances. It is better. Our theory is... Not theory; fact—daiva-netreṇa. These things are arranged by superior management.

Jñānagamya: Actually, Prabhupāda, that lust is a perverted expression of love. Kṛṣṇa is creating out of love, and in the material world it becomes perverted. So in the material world lust is the cause.

Prabhupāda: Yes. In the spiritual world, what is love, that is material world, lust.

Harikeśa: So you agree with me?

Jñānagamya: Yes, you are right, but you do not understand where that lust is coming from. That lust is perverted from Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: Obstinate. It is perverted reflection of love. Actually, it is... They say it is love. The sahajiyās in Vṛndāvana, they have got connection with woman. If you criticize them, say, "Why you are connected with illicit sex?" "What is the wrong there? It is love." They say it is love.
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