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<h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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We have become so lowest of mankind and mūḍha and full of sinful activities that we cannot understand what Kṛṣṇa says. This is real position. I am not speaking—Kṛṣṇa says. This is the sign. If one does not hear Kṛṣṇa, then he must be grouped in these categories: duṣkṛtina, mūḍha, narādhama, māyayāpahṛta-jñānā. What is the value of their so-called education if they cannot understand the simple truth, tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13)?.
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Indian man: How? Only way, you see, mām anusmara yuddhya ca ([[Vanisource:BG 8.7|BG 8.7]]): taking the name, believing in full in the name of the Almighty. And we have to try our level best to uplift the society, to make them educate, to guide them, provide them, to bring them on the right path. This is only way.

Trivikrama: Bhagavad-gītā says we need the guru.

Guest (1): Yes, sir, that is correct. No, no. No doubt. That is correct. So they should understand on where they wanted to go, what is their goal.

Prabhupāda: There is no goal. They think after this body everything is finished.

Indian man: No, no. Endless life they are returning.

Prabhupāda: Mūḍhā nābhijānāti mām eva param avyayam.

Indian man: So we have to make them know that this is the wrong way, and this is the right way, and you have to go by this right way. And when you'll come to right way, he has to obey some discipline, obey some rules and rights. And there he wants nigraha. (break)

Prabhupāda: ...is it possible to stop it? Or young men, if he says, "No, no, I'm not going to..." But everyone wants that. Young man does not want to become old man, but by nature's law he has to become.

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:prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni
:guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ
:ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā
:kartāham iti manyate
:([[Vanisource:BG 3.27|BG 3.27]])
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So the idea is that after losing our own culture, we have become set of fools. This is the real conclusion. Mūḍha. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 7.15|BG 7.15]]). We have become so lowest of mankind and mūḍha and full of sinful activities that we cannot understand what Kṛṣṇa says. This is real position. I am not speaking—Kṛṣṇa says. This is the sign. If one does not hear Kṛṣṇa, then he must be grouped in these categories: duṣkṛtina, mūḍha, narādhama, māyayāpahṛta-jñānā. What is the value of their so-called education if they cannot understand the simple truth, tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 2.13|BG 2.13]])? What is the value of this education? Today I may be very big man, but I do not know that there is dehāntara. And what kind of deha I am going to get? Nobody has any knowledge, neither they're interested to cultivate. They have concluded that "After death, everything is finished." This is their education. Blind. Westerners, they say it frankly. That big, big professor, I have talked: "Swāmījī, after death everything is finished." This is their conclusion. And our first education is that tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ. And they have given up everything. Kartāham iti manyate ([[Vanisource:BG 3.27|BG 3.27]]). (Hindi) If you do not know the science, simply by false prestige you say, "No, whatever I am thinking, it is all right," are you free? You are completely under the laws of material nature. Why you are thinking foolishly? This is Indian culture. Even in the village, remotest village, you go and they will say (Hindi) pūrva-janme... (Hindi) They'll say. This is India's culture, pūrva-janma, paro-janma, dehāntara-prāptiḥ. And you have lost your sense. What kind of education? What is the value of this education? Very precarious condition.

Indian man: One thing that these people have adopted...

Prabhupāda: These people or that people, I don't mind.

Indian man: Yes, sir. We have the secular India concept.

Prabhupāda: Again, why you are bringing "secular India"? This is a science. Science, scientific knowledge—so does it mean the secular India, they should stop scientific education?

Indian man: No religion can be backed up like that.

Prabhupāda: No, why you bring religion at all? It is science. Religion is a kind of faith. But science is not faith. You may have faith or may not have faith. Science, "Two plus two equal to four," everywhere. Why they forget this? This is a science, vijñāna. Jñānaṁ te 'haṁ sa-vijñānaṁ idaṁ vakṣyāmy aśeṣataḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 7.2|BG 7.2]]). It is vijñāna. And they are interpreting in different way: "Two plus two equal to five." Big, big men, they are doing that. Two plus two equal to five because somebody, some big man has said? This is going on. Somebody said, "Two plus two equal to three"; somebody says "Two plus two equal to five." "In my opinion it is five." And somebody: "In my opinion it is three." What is this nonsense? This is going on. And they are big men. They are leaders, mūḍha. This is the position of India.
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