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[[Category:Prabhupada Responding to Comments]]
[[Category:Prabhupada Responding to Comments... 1977]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">Yes.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara|Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Nanda-kumāra: They found another book where Jesus spoke about reincarnation, about transmigration of the soul, but that was also omitted by the early... When Jesus set up the disciplic succession...</p>
<p>Rāmeśvara: What book is that?</p>
<p>Nanda-kumāra: I read it in a theologians thing...</p>
<p>Gargamuni: But nobody know about these things. It's the Aquarian Gospel.</p>
<p>Rāmeśvara: That's not accepted.</p>
<p>Gargamuni: See, there's no disciplic succession, so no one can really know the actual truth.</p>
<p>Nanda-kumāra: The disciplic succession was overthrown early in the Christian church.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: After sixty years they had a meeting, and then they omitted certain teachings.</p>
<p>Nanda-kumāra: That's when they added the philosophy that you get one chance. It's either go to heaven eternally or go to hell eternally. Jesus actually... Some people are saying Jesus never taught anything like that, but when the early church changed everything to keep the people in ignorance and keep their own position, they added that feature, that unless the people surrendered to them they would go to hell.</p>
<p>Rāmeśvara: Actually there is a new movie in America which shows that Jesus was not even religious. He was a political revolutionary trying to overthrow the Roman government, and his followers created the myth. And this is becoming a popular idea.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: That is another concoction too.</p>
<p>Gargamuni: Nobody knows, because there's no disciplic ācārya.</p>
<p>Rāmeśvara: The real point of that movie is there's no way to know anymore. Any theory now can be presented.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: But at least if you look at what's there, in most of the Bibles anyway, the beginnings of Christ's movement are just like our own movement. All these men gave up all their material possessions. They went out and preached. And that was his general teaching too, that they should not worry for anything because God is supplying to everyone, even the birds and beasts. So why should they worry? Just go out and preach. That was his basic teaching to his twelve apostles.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is faithfulness in God. Why a preacher should be bothered about maintaining himself?</p>
<p>Rāmeśvara: Actually there is some good lessons to learn from them, because they were persecuted, they were killed by the government even. But they didn't give up their faith. They remained very faithful, the early Christians.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Rāmeśvara: And also later missionaries went all over the world alone, to Africa, all countries of the world, converting people, although it was very difficult. So they had a very good missionary spirit formerly. When I went to Fiji I saw many Christian churches in Fiji. Right next door to the house where Vasudeva lives there is a Christian tabernacle, and they wake up every morning at 4:30 and they have hymns-same practice as we have, but it's Christian hymns.</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: Along with all, that, though, they're allowed to please their senses in any way that they like. So their teaching doesn't really have much benefit for anyone. They're still doing all kinds of sinful activity. Now their idea is that if you accept Jesus, it means that you can carry on doing as many sinful activities as you like, but Jesus is going to take all the sinful reaction.</p>
<p>Rāmeśvara: Yes. "He died for us, so why should we suffer?" (laughter)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Jesus Christ is the contractor. They say that "Our religion is very good. If you simply have faith in Jesus Christ, we can do anything."</p>
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