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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
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<div id="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="6" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1973 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1973 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">No. When they are in opposition, they have to accept this material body. Just like the citizens in the prison house, it means they are all in opposition to the laws of the state, similarly, anyone who is in this material world, they are in opposition to the supreme will of the Lord. Therefore they are put into this material world in varieties of life. So they can stop that opposition and again go back to home, back to Godhead.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation with Father Tanner and other guests -- July 11, 1973, London|Room Conversation with Father Tanner and other guests -- July 11, 1973, London]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: When you go to God, you go in your spiritual body.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Spiritual body. So...</p>
<p>Father Tanner: But you can be physically healthy...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Spiritually, when you get your spiritual body, there is no such material inconveniences. The material inconveniences means so long you have got this material body, you are subjected to birth, death, old age and disease. When you revive your spiritual body, these four things are not with you. No more birth, no more death, no more disease, no more old age. This is the difference between spiritual life and material life.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: Yes, I mean, this, I think, anyone who's in any sense spiritual or religious or ethical would admit because the spiritual body has no parts. So it cannot start to be or cease to be and cannot change within his own entity.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, the spiritual body is there already. Just like you have got your body. The coat is made according to your body. You existed first. Your coat was made later on. Similarly, spiritually, we exist eternally. Now, according to our different types of activities, we get a body, material body. There are eight million, four hundred thousand different forms of bodies. So the spirit soul is transmigrating according to his desire and work to different types of body. This is called transmigration of the soul. ...</p>
<p>Father Tanner: You would hold that the spirit is eternal...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: ...in the sense that in the beginning all spirits were contained within the Deity,...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: ...and at the end all spirits will refind themselves in the Deity.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: What...? Would you ever admit that a spirit could fail after his last chance...?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That misuse of little independence. That I have already told. He has got little independence. So so long he's engaged in the service of the Lord, he remains in a spiritual body along with the Lord.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: No, I'm saying is it possible for any spirit not ultimately, after his various transmigrations through bodies, is it possible for any spirit never to regain contact with the Lord?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. If he comes in contact with a servant of God, then he revives his old consciousness, original consciousness.</p>
<p>Devotee: Prabhupāda, what he was saying was is it possible for a spirit soul never to regain the state of God consciousness.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, why never? He has got chance. When he comes in contact with a servant of the Lord, he revives his Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then he begins his spiritual life. So how can you say...?</p>
<p>Father Tanner: But is it possible... You know, the world one day will end, and physical bodies will end...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, that is not possible.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: The world will not end?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: World will end. Yes.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: Yes. Now, I'm saying, when this time comes when all physical things end, will any of the spirits fail to reunite with the Godhead?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Now, when, as soon as he likes to reunite. That is... That depends on his liking and not liking.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: Hm. But would you admit that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: There is no... You are talking of mechanically. But I am talking of that little independence. As soon as the living entity desires to unite with the Supreme Lord, he can become.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: Yes, but will it ever...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And so long he does not desire, he'll have to continue this material existence. So that depends on him.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: And could that go on and on forever, his not desiring?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Well, how can I say? You have got independence of desire and not to desire. That depends on you. If you never desire, then you continue, perpetually, material life. But there is chance.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: Now, taking that person, when material things cease, what happens to him?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Material things, material and spiritual, the living entities, they are spiritual, and the material elements, earth, water, fire, they are also material energy. There are two kinds of energies. Why two kinds? Three kinds of energies. Just like fire has got two kinds of energies, heat and light, similarly, God has got multi-energies. All those multi-energies have been divided into three. One is called internal, another is called external, and the third is called marginal. So this material world is manifestation of the external and marginal energy. So when the material world ceases to exist or it is dissolved, annihilated, so energy goes back to God. It goes back. Again, when there is creation, the same energy creates. The marginal energy, by the marginal energy and external energy. This is going on. Just like day and night, it is going on. At daytime people are busy. This is creation. At night everyone is sleeping. Similarly, when there is creation, these activities are going on. When there is no creation, it is night, everyone is sleeping.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: Is there a spirit opposed to the divine spirit?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Spirit opp...?</p>
<p>Father Tanner: Opposed. Taking that the, you know, that God is good,...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: ...is there another spirit that is not good?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, we are all another spirit. Just like the father and the son. The father is also a spirit. The son is also another spirit.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: Can there be opposition in the spirit world?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: Conflict in the spirit world?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes, yes. Just like father has got ten sons. Some of them are opposition to the father. And some of them are very obedient.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: But the... I'm not saying of the spirit in man. I'm saying of spirits in themselves.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Spirit in themselves, they are not opposition.</p>
<p>Father Tanner: Can they be in opposition?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No. When they are in opposition, they have to accept this material body. Just like the citizens in the prison house, it means they are all in opposition to the laws of the state, similarly, anyone who is in this material world, they are in opposition to the supreme will of the Lord. Therefore they are put into this material world in varieties of life. So they can stop that opposition and again go back to home, back to Godhead.</p>
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