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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
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<div class="heading">So He left the credit for me. (laughter).
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- January 4, 1976, Nellore|Morning Walk -- January 4, 1976, Nellore]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Indian man: ...mission, and they only think that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So we shall return now?</p>
<p>Indian man: (break) ...my weekly visits, that Jyoti Swami showed me that incident at Japan(?), and he asked me, "Have you seen...?"</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ. Doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ. Makṣikā bhramarā icchanti...(?) Maksikā, these ordinary flies, they find out where is sore, and the bhramarā, he finds out where is honey. Similarly, doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ. And the Bhaktivedanta Swami is doing preaching all over the world—that has not come to his eyes. He has come to the Japanese incident. He has come.</p>
<p>Indian man: Yes, I told him there might be some, in a big organization, such a...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, why did you not say, "You are such a pamara that this thing has come to your notice and not other thing"?</p>
<p>Indian man: That I told him. For that he began to say, "No, no, you read my literature. You'll be.... We don't have any envy." I took that also with me, and he gave me.... Next time, when I went, after reading, I said, "How many mistakes are there? Not even a single dot is mistake in other literature, and still you say this literature? And what is new therein? Nothing new."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Just try to understand that whatever it may be, what is the mentality of these rascals, that "The good things do not come to your notice." If something is bad, "Oh, here is..." You see. Pāmarāḥ doṣam icchanti guṇam icchanti paṇḍitāḥ. Saj-janā guṇam icchanti doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ. That means they are not even a Vaiṣṇava. You see? Vaiṣṇava means paramo nirmatsarāṇām ([[Vanisource:SB 1.1.2|SB 1.1.2]]). Even one has got some fault, a Vaiṣṇava does not see that. He takes the good qualities. But they are not even Vaiṣṇava. Yes. Doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ. The mission of Gau..., Caitanya Mahāprabhu, is being preaching all over the.... That does not come to their.... Some Japanese paper has written something—it has come immediately. Doṣam icchanti pāmarāḥ. That fool, that he's a.... Here is a pāmara, and he's a lowest of the mankind. You can say that "Why this thing has come prominent to your eyes and not the other thing?"</p>
<p>Indian man: No, I did say in my own way, though I did not quote this, that "You are a pāmara." I said, "Why..."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, you can say now, that "That day I forgot to say that you are a pāmara. So I have come to say that you are a pāmara." (laughter) "I forgot it. Excuse me, I forgot it. So you are pāmara."</p>
<p>Indian man: And it is so. As a matter of fact, it is so. And for that, the apology is, "No, no, I do realize that lot of work is being done about that."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: "But because I am pāmara, I am finding out this fault." But you have now completed the sentence. "You know lot of things, but because you are pāmara, therefore this thing has come prominent."</p>
<p>Indian man: That is the proviso.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the proof that you are a pāmara.</p>
<p>Indian man: In my own way, if they challenge us and they are convincing, because to the audience it has to be said. One gosvāmī, when I said, "Well, this is a movement which I very much like, and like also to join," then he said that—because I am conducting Gītā Bhavan(?) founded by him—he said, "No, no, no, no. We as a matter of fact champion that cause. But afterwards, when we realized that it is not sampradayic, we have given it up. Therefore..." Then his conduct.... The next day itself, he was not liking me. I have been doing this propaganda, this Gītā pravacanam, for the past four years in the organization founded by him. But the very next day, that gosvāmī, Puruṣottama Gosvāmī of Vṛndāvana...</p>
<p>Yaśodānandana: The envious one.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: He has got a camp here?</p>
<p>Yaśodānandana: No, in Madras.</p>
<p>Indian man: When he was here it happened. And that devotee's grace.... Then I said, "What is the reason why you say?" "No, no. After all, we are qualified. Those mlecchas..."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Nobody cares for you. You are so qualified that nobody cares for you.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What did he say?</p>
<p>Yaśodānandana: What did he say about mlecchas?</p>
<p>Indian man: Yes, "Why mlecchas, how can they have, after all?" I said, "You yourself were a married person, and..."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And you did not know that they are not.... If they are mlecchas, then you are nārakī. It is said, vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ nārakī. Yes. Ārcye viṣṇau śilā-dhir guruṣu nara-matir vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ nārakī. Anyone who considers in terms of caste a Vaiṣṇava, he's a nārakī. Nārakī. Now, just like we go to the temple to see the Deities. Many millions of people are coming, but everyone knows that this is made of stone. But they are going to see the stone?</p>
<p>Indian man: There is God in it.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh? They are going to see the stone? So arcye viṣṇau śilā-dhiḥ. Anyone who thinks like that.... Similarly, everyone knows that he is European, he is American, but because he is Vaiṣṇava, one should not see like that, "mleccha." If he sees, then he's nārakī.</p>
<p>Yaśodānandana: It also proves that they have no faith in the holy name, because the hari-nāma purifies everything.</p>
<p>Dhṛṣṭadyumna: (aside:) Did that swami show that article to Prabhupāda?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yaj-jihvāgre nāma tubhyām (sic). Aho bata svapa.</p>
<p>Hariśauri: (aside:) Did he?</p>
<p>Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Mahārāja, did you show that article to...?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Why do you speak in the middle? You should hear. Yaj-jihvāgre nāma tubham, yan-nāma śruti-mātrena pumān bhavati nirmalaḥ. And this rascals says the nāma has no.... See. We have to meet simply rascals all over. The so-called religionists, so-called swamis, so-called yogis, so-called politicians. You see? Simply we have to meet with all rascals.</p>
<p>Indian man: No, he was reminding me of this Jyoti Mahārāja showing that article on Kṛṣṇa Jayantī day to the reading out to the entire audience. That was a rubbish.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, read to the whole audience.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: He was reading?</p>
<p>Indian man: Ah, that is what he reminds me, because I said the incident which I had with him.... On Kṛṣṇa Jayantī day I did not go there. But on that day it was being read out. That was the silly part of it.</p>
<p>Yaśodānandana: So Prabhupāda, these same people that...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So what is the wrong there? What was the wrong?</p>
<p>Indian man: No, he said that "This movement has got these black sheep, and they have been banned in Japan. Everywhere they will be banned."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: But there is something in Japan which is banned. But what you have got in Japan?</p>
<p>Indian man: Nothing.</p>
<p>Yaśodānandana: First of all, we are not even banned in Japan. The center is still there.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, that's all right. Banned means we had something. But what proof you have got that you have done something in Japan?</p>
<p>Indian man: There is something; there is nothing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So it is better. Just like one man said that "I have lost fifty thousand this year." His friend said, "You are still fortunate, because you had fifty thousand. But I have no fifty paisa even."</p>
<p>Indian man: So there is something. Here nothing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: "So you are so fortunate that you could suffer the loss of fifty thousand, but I have nothing to lose."</p>
<p>Indian man: But that is for a discriminating man. Here it is an ignorance, asuya, envy. When Acyutānanda Swami was addressing one man (he) said, "Why always have Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa? We can have Hare Christ also." Same answer as Your Holiness gave, he said, "Yes, yes, you can have it. Whoever says.... We don't say no. It is also possible, but degree, matter of degree," as Your Holiness the other day put it. And some chapters and words were read out to the people. They were convinced that same saṅkīrtana is also sanctioned in the Bible.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: We have to follow Caitanya Mahāprabhu or you? Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ ([[Vanisource:CC Adi 17.31|CC Adi 17.31]]). So we have to follow Caitanya Mahāprabhu. What is this building?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is a tuberculosis hospital.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh.</p>
<p>Devotee (2): Prabhupāda, they said that if Caitanya Mahāprabhu wanted Kṛṣṇa consciousness in the Western countries, why didn't He go there Himself? That's what they told us.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So He left the credit for me. (laughter)</p>
<p>Devotees: Jaya! Haribol!</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: He loves His devotee more than Himself.</p>
<p>Harikesa: Why didn't Kṛṣṇa kill everybody at the Battle of Kurukṣetra?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Yasodanandana: (indistinct)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa, by His simple desire He could kill. (laughter) He said therefore, bhaviṣyatvam, pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi grāma, sarvatra pracāra haibe.  (CB Antya-khaṇḍa 4.126) He is leaving the task for somebody else.</p>
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