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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1975]]
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">Sa guṇān sama... That is given in the Bhagavad-gītā. That you have to.... Sa guṇān samatītyaitān (BG 14.26). Sa guṇan. Samatītya. So you have to adopt this means, then you will.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 23, 1975, Bombay|Morning Walk -- December 23, 1975, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: (break) ...ananya-bhāk, that is required. Āra-nā koriho mane.. ananya-bhāk, no diversion of attention.</p>
<p>Indian man (3): (break) ...you see, I am now trying to learn (indistinct) something, and I find that by doing bhakti, ah, what you call pūjā, saguṇa pūjā, whenever I come to your place, instead of seeing the Kṛṣṇa mūrti, I always see the liṅgam, pure liṅgam. Why this phenomena going on?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: You are a great devotee of Lord Śiva, so that's all right.</p>
<p>Indian man (3): I have already, seeing the.... My parents may be doing, I have not done much except knowing only a few lines of the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's all right. You remain a devotee of Lord Śiva. There is no harm.</p>
<p>Indian man (3): And when I have been doing some other saguṇa pūjā, another is seen always.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Indian man (3): Suppose I am doing...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Many, many...</p>
<p>Indian man (3): ...Śaṇkara pure pūjā then I am seeing er, Devi.... Like that it is happening. Secondly, so how to go to nirguṇa state? That is my difficulty.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Sa guṇān sama...</p>
<p>Indian man (3): And whenever I am praying with closed eyes, I see something, but with opened eyes I don't see anything.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is given in the Bhagavad-gītā. That you have to.... Sa guṇān samatītyaitān ([[Vanisource:BG 14.26|BG 14.26]]). Sa guṇan. Samatītya. So you have to adopt this means, then you will.</p>
<p>Indian man (3): How to from sa guṇa I do not know.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Māṁ ca yo' vyabhicāreṇa bhakti-yogena ya sevate ([[Vanisource:BG 14.26|BG 14.26]]).</p>
<p>Indian man (3): Sanskrit, I don't know much Sanskrit.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Anyone who worships Kṛṣṇa, avyabhicāreṇa, without any change, he becomes nirguṇa.</p>
<p>Indian man (3): So saguṇa is necessary for going to nirguṇa?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Indian man (3): Saguṇa is...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, not necessary. But if you don't worship unflinchingly Kṛṣṇa, then you remain in the saguṇa platform.</p>
<p>Indian man (3): Hm, I see.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Here it is clearly said, sa gunān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate ([[Vanisource:BG 14.26|BG 14.26]]). So you have to adopt the means; then you become nirguṇa. And if you don't adopt, then you remain saguṇa.</p>
<p>Indian man (3): Yes, and I can come to you and just, you explain me what is the way...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. Sa guṇān samatītyaitān ([[Vanisource:BG 14.26|BG 14.26]]). Saguṇ.. saguṇa...</p>
<p>Indian man (3): Which śloka from Gītā, it is from Gītā? Bhagavad-gītā?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, it is ninth chapter.</p>
<p>Indian man (3): Then I'll read it again and see if whether I can follow something. Thank you.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa clearly says, sa guṇān, sa guṇān samatītya, sama upena titya, perfectly transcending, this is the process.</p>
<p>Indian man (3): I see. We cannot do with the closed eyes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Hm?</p>
<p>Indian man (3): With open eyes, why we cannot do the prayers and the bhakti-yoga? What is the...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: For the disturbed mind. Those who are settled up, they can see always, open or closed. Premāñjanacchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu viloka. One who has attained that stage, love of God, he can see every, every moment. When you love somebody, a small child, don't you see always, huh? Don't you see? Huh? When you see the child's little sock, immediately you see the child. The shoes, immediately you see the child. Why? Because you are in love with the child. So that stage you have to come, in love with God, then you will see always, twenty-four hours, sadaiva. Sadaiva means twenty-four hours. You see, and you always remain in nirguṇa stage, and always see.</p>
<p>Indian man (3): But in that case, sir, material duties, they are forgotten.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No.</p>
<p>Indian man (3): Then how can you avoid that, because conflict takes place.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, it will be, there will be no more material duty. When you wash the shoes of your son, that is love, that is not a shoe washer; you don't remain a shoe washer. You remain in love with your child. Hm? A mother takes care of the child, washes, when he passes stool, that does not mean she becomes maṭharāṇī (sweeper woman). Maṭharāṇī is material. But when the mother out of love washes the child, she is not maṭharāṇī, she is Rādhārāṇī. (everyone laughs) And if you conclude, "Ah, she is washing the stool of the son. She is maṭharānī," that is your mistake. She remains Rādhārāṇī. Just like Mother Yaśodā is binding Kṛṣṇa, that does not mean that His supremacy is lost. The Mother Yaśodā is binding; He still remains the supreme. Therefore Mother Yaśodā became exhausted to try to bind Him. (laughs) And when Kṛṣṇa saw that "My mother is perspiring now, she is exhausted," "All right, let Me agree to be bound up by her." (pause) That's not a fact, otherwise how Kṛṣṇa says, "Anyone who is engaged in My devotional service, sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate ([[Vanisource:BG 14.26|BG 14.26]])." So this is a mistake to say that devotional service is saguṇa. (indistinct) Huh? These are one gentleman came to talk with me?</p>
<p>Saurabha: About the apartment?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. (end)</p>
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