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[[Category:Questions asked to Srila Prabhupada]]
[[Category:Questions asked to SP... 1974]]
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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1974_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="7" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1974 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1974 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">That you will not understand unless you surrender to Kṛṣṇa. You are asking this question for the last so many years, and... I am repeatedly saying that God does not create anything.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- March 31, 1974, Bombay|Morning Walk -- March 31, 1974, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Guest (5): ...why the Jesus says you offer the other cheek? Which is better? Is the choice of us to be violent or nonviolent?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. The persons to whom Jesus Christ taught, they were already fighting. Therefore his first injunction is "Thou shalt not kill." They were already killers. You see? And Arjuna is a gentleman. He was thinking before killing. Therefore he has to be induced, "You kill like this." But they were already killers. Otherwise why Jesus Christ said, "Thou shalt not kill"? That means that society was accustomed to kill. (break) Yes, that (indistinct) circumstance.</p>
<p>Mr. Sar: Different persons on different occasions. Only the main occasions on which they serve. (break)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...lence is violence. But Kṛṣṇa has got two business: paritrāṇāya sādhūnām vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām ([[Vanisource:BG 4.8|BG 4.8]]). So those who are duṣkṛtā, there is necessity of violence. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) ...surgical operation. Yes. When the...</p>
<p>Guest (6): Yeah, I was disturbed in the early morning. (break)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...to have surgical operation, if the doctor says, "No, no, no, I have taken to non-violence. I cannot touch with knife," that is foolishness. (break) ...you, one must know. That, you take instruction from Kṛṣṇa; then you'll know when one thing should be used and one thing not be used.</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: And that is necessity... (break)</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: ...create violence out of your own wish, that is not God's wish. Just like in modern days they are declaring war whimsically, by the political ambition. That is not God's wish. That is not God's wish.</p>
<p>Guest (5): But God knows before creating jīvas(?) and everything that they will start wars and take...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, even God knows, that is your creation.</p>
<p>Guest (5): But why should He create them in the first instance?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is...</p>
<p>Guest (5): Knowing beforehand that they will...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That you will not understand unless you surrender to Kṛṣṇa. You are asking this question for the last so many years, and...</p>
<p>Guest (5): Ah, I have surrendered unto you. Now you explain this mystery.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: I am repeatedly saying that God does not create anything. Just like the same example.</p>
<p>Guest (5): He has created this universe.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, no, no. You created. Why do you blame?</p>
<p>Guest (5): How I was created, I created this universe?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. So you were created to serve God, but you do not serve God. You want sense gratification. That is your fault.</p>
<p>Guest (5): He's self-sufficient. He doesn't need service.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no. Why you are repeating that question like a fool? (laughter) I have answered this. If you disturb in that way, don't question. I have already, that you created everything.</p>
<p>Guest (5): Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like...</p>
<p>Guest (5): You say He has not created. Now you say He has created...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, He...</p>
<p>Guest (5): Contradicting yourself.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then because...</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: (Gujarati)</p>
<p>Guest (5): Sorry about that.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Let me explain it. Let me explain it. Suppose you are ordered by the judge that you should be hanged. So it is certainly his creation, your hanging. But is the judge enemy of you that he has ordered you to be hanged? You have created such thing that you should be hanged. This is the answer. (break) ...situation that you must be hanged. But the order must come from the judge. So externally the judge is hanging you. But actually he's not hanging you. You are hanging yourself. This is the way. (break) ...hanged, there is no choice. Is it not? But still, you created the position of being hanged. That is the position. When the judge has ordered that "He should be hanged," there is no more choice. But who has created this situation?</p>
<p>Dr. Patel: No, no, no. We are always like that. We are in the... (break)</p>
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