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<div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2>
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<div id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div class="heading">If the young men, they are taking and they take it seriously, then they will take over government. That is the real point. Because they want to stop it. But it cannot be stopped. Because the younger generation, they are taking it seriously, it cannot be stopped. The poison has already entered. Now it is reacting, so they are feeling the pressure. That is our success, when there is opposition. They are not going to oppose any such movement like Transcendental Meditation. No, they don't care. But this, they are seeing that it is very venomous poison.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- February 14, 1977, Mayapura|Room Conversation -- February 14, 1977, Mayapura]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: (laughs) My mercy or your mercy. You are all working. So anyway, this counter propaganda is doing good to us.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's making... Everyone in America now knows the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. Very prominent in America.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: And New York temple is going nice?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think very nicely, yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: People are coming regular?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh yes. We get on Sundays not less than six or seven hundred people come every Sunday. And...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Indians and Americans.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. About, say, half and half.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's good.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Good turn out.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That's good. Similarly Los Angeles, and other...</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So by this counter-propaganda we have not lost anything.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. People were not so much aware of what our movement stood for. Now, with this propaganda, we're getting an opportunity to explain to them what our movement means.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: I wanted that all our books should be given to the court: "This is our statement." Let him read. He can...</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: We received that tape where you tell the story of Mr. Ghosh bringing all the books just to...</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: "Just to teach you law."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Huh?</p>
<p>Hari-śauri: "Just to teach you law."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes. There was big lawyer. In those days he was earning not less than thirty-thousand per month. Rajbery Ghosh, Doctor. He was Doctor. So in one case he brought so many books in the court, the judge remarked, "Well, Dr. Ghosh, You have brought the whole library?" "Yes, my lord, just to teach you law." (laughs) No, any statement we give, it has to be considered. They cannot neglect. So you can simply put these books, eighty-four books: "This is our statement. You read them. Then give your judgement." How do you think? Did you consult any lawyer?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. We're going to do it. It can be done.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: "It is not brainwash. It is science. You have to know the science." And actually that is the fact. The court case is going on.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. The next... The next date for the trial is on March the 2nd, but it may be postponed until about March the 10th. So Ādi-keśa Mahārāja wanted to take the opportunity to come and visit.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Very good. The more it is prolonged, it is good for us. Things will be discussed.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. We are relishing the opportunity.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. (laughs) And it will be published in the paper. It is a good opportunity.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: Even they had a preliminary hearing, and all the major newspaper, Time Magazine, Newsweek, they were all present. And also from the Indian government.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, the Consulate. The Indian Consulate came. Ādi-keśa Mahārāja has been contacting some of the important officials. He has had a lot of meetings with the Ambassador. So the Ambassador ordered that from the Consulate one person must come to give a statement that the Indian government supports the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. So they came and made this statement.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Oh, that is... (laughs)</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: And this representative will attend every hearing.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That is nice. That is very nice.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: As official... And he was ordered to do so by Indira.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, the Home member. The Home member said to... "We want that this movement should be spread all over the world."</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The representative said that "Our government is nonsectarian, but within our country so many people are Hindus, and this Hare Kṛṣṇa movement is the religion of all these people. This is the actual religion of these people. It is authentic."</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. How they can...</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, they... They have no case at all.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (laughs) They want to speak brainwash, and here is the university psychiatrist. He says, "No, it is not brainwash." So handle very carefully.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: The judge that we have is very ...</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Sober.</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: Well, his reputation is that he is the toughest judge in the state. The DA deliberately arranged for this judge. So it will be a little difficult.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: So the toughest judge, does it mean he will be unjust also?</p>
<p>Brahmānanda: Well, he might be a little prejudiced against us.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But it doesn't... It just means the case will go longer. Still they have no case.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then we can change.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We tried, but it was not successful. We already made that motion to change the judge. It wasn't successful.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: No, the government says it is bona fide, India government?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Then how he can go against it?</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually they can't. I mean they have absolutely no case, but still they're pushing onwards just to make some, create some dirt.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: The thing is... Real thing is that... That was spoken by one politician, that "It is spreading like epidemic?"</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: That danger they are fighting.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. The thing is... There're now some demons in America, they are realizing that this is the most dangerous movement to their whole culture.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the real point. And if the young men, they are taking and they take it seriously, then they will take over government. Yes. That is the real point. Because they want to stop it. But it cannot be stopped. Because the younger generation, they are taking it seriously, it cannot be stopped.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: As long as we stay within the law they cannot find any fault with us. They are trying like anything, but they cannot find any fault.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. The poison has already entered. (laughs) Now it is reacting, so they are feeling the pressure. That is our success, when there is opposition. They are not going to oppose any such movement like Transcendental Meditation. No, they don't care. But this, they are seeing that it is very venomous poison.</p>
<p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They didn't realize your intentions when you first came in 1965.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes. No illicit sex, no meat-eating. I thought that nobody would take this. But is Kṛṣṇa's mercy; you have taken it seriously.</p>
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