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<h2>Lectures</h2>
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<h3>Bhagavad-gita As It Is Lectures</h3>
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The vaikuṇṭha-loka, Goloka Vṛndāvana, is made of houses. There are . . . Nirviśeṣavādī, śūnyavādī, they cannot understand that in the spiritual world there are also houses, there are also gardens, there are also rivers, there are also cows. They cannot understand, because they are in the tama, in this darkness of material world. They are disgusted with this material world. They want to make it zero, nirvāṇa. They want to make it zero. No. Why zero? The Bhāgavata said, nirasta-kuhakam. Nirasta-ku . . . satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi, janmādy asya. Actually, this material world is born out of the reflection of the spiritual world.
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[[Vanisource:720307 - Lecture BG 09.02 - Calcutta|720307 - Lecture BG 09.02 - Calcutta]]
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When one come to the platform of vasudeva-sattva, then he can understand vāsudeva sattva. Vāsudeva is God. Just like from vasudeva, vāsudeva, Kṛṣṇa, God. Similarly, when you come to the stage of vāsudeva sattva . . . vasudeva sattva, then we can realize Vāsudeva. Therefore pavitram. Pavitram idam uttamam. Uttamam. Ut means transcendental, above. Utgatam. Just like utpana. So uttama means ut, above, tama. Tama means this material world. This material world is known as tama. Tamasi mā jyotir gamaḥ, the Vedas say. "Don't remain in darkness. Come to the spiritual platform." Tamasi mā jyotir gamaḥ.

So this devotional service is rāja-vidyā because it is uttama, utgata tama. There is nothing material contamination, uttama. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is sometimes called Uttama-śloka. Kṛṣṇa is worshiped by verses which is not ordinary poetry, ordinary poetry. Just like Brahmā-saṁhitā:

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:īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇah
:sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ
:anādir ādir govindaḥ
:sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam 
:(Bs. 5.1)
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:cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-

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:lakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam
:lakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ
:govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi 
:(Bs. 5.29)
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These are uttama-śloka. These ślokas, these description, are not of the material world. Just like this word cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu. In the spiritual world, in the . . . the houses are made of cintāmaṇi stone. Cintāmaṇi stone you cannot have here. Maybe, but we have no experience. But cintāmaṇi stone means touchstone. If you take that stone and touch in iron, it becomes gold. That is cintāmaṇi. So cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu.

The vaikuṇṭha-loka, Goloka Vṛndāvana, is made of houses. There are . . . Nirviśeṣavādī, śūnyavādī, they cannot understand that in the spiritual world there are also houses, there are also gardens, there are also rivers, there are also cows. They cannot understand, because they are in the tama, in this darkness of material world. They are disgusted with this material world. They want to make it zero, nirvāṇa. They want to make it zero. No. Why zero? The Bhāgavata said, nirasta-kuhakam. Nirasta-ku . . . satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi, janmādy asya. Actually, this material world is born out of the reflection of the spiritual world.

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:janmādy asya yato 'nvayād itarataś cārtheṣv abhijñaḥ svarāṭ
:tene brahma hṛdā ya ādi-kavaye muhyanti yat sūrayaḥ
:tejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ yathā vinimayo yatra tri-sargo 'mṛṣā
:. . . sadā nirasta-kuhakaṁ . . . satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi 
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These are the description. So there is spiritual world. There is spiritual world. And there is spiritual body, sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha, Kṛṣṇa, sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha (Bs. 5.1).

So all this to be learned through bhakti-yoga. We cannot learn by speculation. That is not possible. That is jaḍa-vidyā. Jaḍa-vidyā. It is rāja-vidyā. Jaḍa-vidyā will not help you to understand Kṛṣṇa. That will not help. No. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura said, jaḍa vidyā sab māyāra vaibhava. By advance of material science you are simply increasing the paraphernalia of this māyā, illusory energy. Jada-vidyā sab māyāra vaibhava, tomāra bhajane bādhā. The more one become materialistic scientist, he, he defies God: "Hah. That is not. We, we believe in science, believe in science." But what is your science perfection? That is a different subject matter. But the difficulty is, at the present moment especially, the more one becomes advanced in this material knowledge, he becomes atheist. He becomes disbeliever.
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