Jagadīśa: People in general are very much inclined to accept whoever their leader is if they feel happy. So if we give them kīrtana and prasādam, if their economic needs are met, then how can they avoid? Economic needs are the main thing. That's why they...
Prabhupāda: If they can eat nicely and they have no complaint for living conditions, they will become.
Rāmeśvara: But they will not give up sex life.
Prabhupāda: No, no. I don't say that you give up sex life.
Rāmeśvara: That means that they want to have nice clothing and cars for sex. As soon as there is sex, then they want so many other things to make it more attractive.
Prabhupāda: Not necessarily. Not necessarily. Formerly there was sex life. They're thinking like that, "We require," naturally. First of all they'll be... If they advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they will stop sex life. Yad-avadhi mama cetaḥ kṛṣṇa... If they're really Kṛṣṇa conscious, they'll have no more taste for sex life. That is...
Hari-śauri: But that position is not very easily attainable.
Prabhupāda: No, that is not easy. Therefore we say, "Restrict this." And this will be possible if he follows our program.
Rāmeśvara: You have said many times that if a small percentage of the Americans become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then the whole country can gradually become Kṛṣṇa conscious.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Rāmeśvara: So that means that in the beginning we may be very powerful in government, but still, the masses of people will be karmīs still.
Prabhupāda: No. You can introduce in such a way that they will become devotees. Suppose in big, big factories we shall introduce this prasāda distribution and chanting. They'll immediately be popular. Everything will be... Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12).
Jagadīśa: In order for us to get power, by that time the illumination and knowledge of Kṛṣṇa consciousness will be widespread.
Rāmeśvara: That's what I'm wondering. I was thinking that it wouldn't be. There would be...
Jagadīśa: Otherwise how can we get through? What is the use of having one politician?
Rāmeśvara: Many revolutions have been victorious with a very small minority of people behind them because they're so well organized. Russia, Germany, all these revolutions.
Prabhupāda: That's a fact.
Rāmeśvara: In history there is examples of small groups of people taking over a government because they are very intelligent and very well organized.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: And the mass of people did not believe in them, but still, they took over the government. Like in Russia.
Jagadīśa: But Kṛṣṇa consciousness knowledge...
Prabhupāda: In Russia, the mass of people aloof from this rascal theory.
Hari-śauri: They are not Communists, the mass of people. The Communist party itself is very small.
Prabhupāda: Yes, very small. By terrorism there will be, by terrorism.
Rāmeśvara: So when the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement becomes so powerful that it is in charge of the government, is it because of a small group of people or because of a mass?
Prabhupāda: It is due to quality of the leaders.
Rāmeśvara: But will it be like Russia where there is only a small group of people who are Kṛṣṇa conscious?
Prabhupāda: No, it is not that. The quality of the people will be changed.
Rāmeśvara: So that means the whole mass population...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: Only then will Kṛṣṇa conscious government...
Prabhupāda: No, no. You can have government when you are in even minority. But the mass of people, on account of this quality, will have to see.
Hari-śauri: The idea is to convince them that what they need is good quality leaders, that not necessarily that they already have to become to that stage themselves.
Prabhupāda: Yes.