Prabhupāda: (in car) So do these people know what is the science of God?
Jayatīrtha: No. But they pretend that they do.
Prabhupāda: Well, pretending will not do. You must explain what is God. "Something," "perhaps," this is not science. (break)
Jayatīrtha: ...if no one else knows, they're able to fool them.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes.
Brahmānanda: Each man presents his own theory.
Prabhupāda: That is theosophy, that is not theology. Theosophy means a system of speculation, that's all. And theology does not require. Biology. Logy means science. They say anthropology, but it is not logy; it is theory. "Maybe," "200,000,000's of years." What is this? Logy does not mean that.
Jayatīrtha: Still, they're awarding Ph.D.'s in theology.
Prabhupāda: Just like astrology. That is a science. Eh? What is that?
Jayatīrtha: But still they're awarding Ph.D.'s in theology, even they don't know anything about it.
Prabhupāda: You can do. Hiranda-pitha drumayate. When there is no tree, the small castor seed oil tree... It is not much. It becomes a very big tree. Hiranda-pitha drumayate. The castor seed plants, they are taken as big tree. (break) Actually, theology is Bhagavad-gītā. (break)
Jayatīrtha: Oh, that's nice. Very good. (break)
Prabhupāda: Suitable?
Brahmānanda: Yes. (break)
Prabhupāda: (walking) ...means science of God. So what is that science of God? Who knows it?
Jayadvaita: You do.
Prabhupāda: Yes, I know. (laughter)
Bahulāśva: Jaya! (break)
Prabhupāda: ...of God means first of all we must know who is God. This is the first. Then, what is this material world and what is my relationship with this material world and God. This is science of God. (break)
Bahulāśva: ...you wanted the colleges named the Vedic Theological College?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Hm. Don't come very near. (break) ...that the college teachers and students must be brāhmaṇa, not śūdras. Śūdras will not be able to understand the science of God. What was the... Now, Dr... What is his name?
Bahulāśva: Last night?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bahulāśva: Dr. Mize.
Prabhupāda: Dr. Mize? So what does he say?
Bahulāśva: He said that he could give up the greed, but the lust was a very hard one for him to give up.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes.
Dharmadhyaksa: He wanted to become more unselfish, but he didn't know how he could give up lust.
Prabhupāda: No, that can be done. If you increase your Kṛṣṇa consciousness, love for Kṛṣṇa, then you will forget this lust.
Dharmadyaksa: That's what we told him, that he must chant.
Prabhupāda: That is the only. That is the only. There is no other second way. (break) ...conquer over lust, one has to take shelter of Madana-mohana. Madana means lust, Cupid, and Kṛṣṇa is Madana-mohana. He can enchant the Cupid also. (break) ...Ṭhākura, young man. At dead of night the prostitute came. How he restrained? That is... One who has realized Madana-mohana, for him these things are nothing, no enchantment. (break)
Dharmadyaksa: ...impressed with Your Divine Grace's energy and ability to work so much.
Prabhupāda: Why you do not say, "This is spiritual energy"? Yes. (break) ...got so many dogs nonsense. And it is solved. Just see. And he has brought dozens of... (break)