Prabhupāda: Go means species, means both bull and cow. But generally go means cow.
Hari-śauri: Of the two, the cow is the more important because it gives milk.
Rūpānuga: One thing is, these beef cows, the female, they only produce enough milk for a little offspring. They have made it like that. You cannot get enough milk from them. They have little bags, only just for their own offspring. They have created like that.
Prabhupāda: Man-made.
Rūpānuga: Yes, a man-made idea.
Hari-śauri: How does that fit in with the species of life, Śrīla Prabhupāda, when they combine two different species, artificial?
Prabhupāda: You can make, by arrangement, artificial, cross-breeding.
Hari-śauri: But that cannot be counted as one of the 8,400,000 forms.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: But it's within the three modes of material nature.
Hari-śauri: I was just thinking last night when we were coming down this road that it's very nice and smooth, but then I thought you were saying the other morning that in the heavenly planets they are made from coral and so many different things. Here we're using tarmac.
Prabhupāda: The more you go higher planetary system, the standard of living is many, many thousand times better than this. Many, many thousand times.
Rūpānuga: We can't even imagine it.
Hari-śauri: What to speak of the spiritual world.
Prabhupāda: Just suppose here are stones—there are pearls. You cannot imagine.
Hari-śauri: Lying on the roadside. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . Western scientists, philosophers, they are all Dr. Frogs. They simply calculating three feet water, that's all. As soon as you speak to them about Atlantic Ocean, they say: "Oh, it is impossible." Froggish brain. (break) . . . word has come, kūpa-māṇḍūkya-nyāya, the frog in the well.
Hari-śauri: Prabhupāda, is that example also given in the Bhāgavatam? Frog in the well? Sometimes you use all these different examples, and they are all there in the Bhāgavatam. I was just wondering if this frog in the well was also there.
Prabhupāda: No.
Hari-śauri: You use very graphic examples; they're very perfect.
Prabhupāda: No, my Guru Mahārāja used to use to place so many examples, (laughs) I do not know all of them. No, there is a book, Nyāya-śāstra, logic. You'll find all these things.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is that the Nīti-śāstra?
Prabhupāda: Nīti-śāstra is different. This is Nyāya-śāstra.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Logic. Caitanya Mahāprabhu was a student.
Prabhupāda: Yes, logician.