Prabhupāda: You are . . . rascal, you are manufacturing wine and keeping them engaged whole day in the work. So after tired, being tired, he requires some wine. Then and why he'll go? And no spiritual education, no cleanliness. Simply inviting, "Go to the village," they will go?
Lokanātha: Just a propaganda.
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . no, they're thinking that "So many people are coming to the cities, how we shall provide them?" That's a problem. After all, government has to supply them rations. Where is so much foodstuff? And if they are not supplied, then there will be resentment. This is a fact. What they are doing in the city, so many scooter (makes motor sound), going here and there. Actually no engagement. The girls are loitering in the street by dressing. It will become more and more problems, city life. So this is the solution, that they must go back to the village. But they are trained up to enjoy the facilities, so-called facilities, of the city. They are not going to village. But if we can introduce this hari-saṅkīrtana, and if they have little taste, that is success. It's a great program. And that taste will come—ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12). If he simply becomes little sober that, "I want to eat, I have to sleep, I want some sense enjoyment and defense. So if I can get easily in the village, why shall I go three hundred miles away?" Just keep in mind the psychology. So that simple life will be possible if one is bhakta. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt (SB 11.2.42). Only by devotion; not by otherwise. Not by artificial means, by manufacturing toilet. Only bhakti. If they get little attachment for Kṛṣṇa, these questions will be solved automatically, and they will be happy. Undoubtedly. That is the Caitanya Mahāprabhu's first instruction: ceto-darpaṇa.
Lokanātha: I come from village, and I'm happy now, as I have taken to holy name and prasāda. So more, other villagers . . . half of these boys are from villages? (referring to other members of the bullock cart party)
Prabhupāda: Yes, they are villagers.
Lokanātha: They're chanting and they're so happy, and they're going back to village.
Prabhupāda: Very good life. Very good life, the village life—provided he has got proper engagement. Otherwise his mind will be disturbed, and he'll seek after wine, after women, after this, after that. Devil's workshop.