Prabhupāda: Vishva Hindu Parishad. What is this nonsense Vishva Hindu . . .? (chuckles) He does not know what is the meaning of Hindu. And his jñāna-yajña. Gītā jñāna yajña. He does not understand even a word of Gītā, and this rascal is preaching Bhagavad-gītā. This is going on. And he has made some name, people after him. People means if you flatter him that, "Whatever you are doing, it is all right."
Mahāṁśa: They will . . .
Prabhupāda: Then they will be very much pleased. And as soon as you criticize that, "You are doing this wrong. You will suffer," "Oh, yes, this Swāmījī is not . . . conservative." That is going on everywhere. In the name of religion you do all nonsense rascaldom, and if the leader approves, "Yes, you can do." Vivekananda did it. Vivekananda did it. "Yes, there is no difference between eating meat and not meating eat in terms of religious system." He preached this, and all the sannyāsīs of Ramakrishna Mission, they eat meat, they drink, they have woman secretary, and everything. This Chinmayananda also like that. I know his whole history. Unless one is purely Kṛṣṇa conscious, one cannot give up all these bad habits. This is the test. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra ca (SB 11.2.42). One . . . unless one is substantially advanced in kṛṣṇa-bhakti, they cannot give up this material attachment—illicit sex, meat-eating. They cannot. It is impossible. So even in the name of svāmī and big, big yogīs . . . they are doing all these things. Especially those who go in foreign countries. And in USA illicit sex is very cheap. Everything is very cheap. Yes. Intoxication very cheap, meat-eating very cheap, gambling very cheap. So when they get this cheap amenities, they forget their so-called spiritual life.
Akṣayānanda: Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Akṣayānanda: One of our friends went and heard Chinmayananda, and he came back to the temple and he said: "Oh, he was speaking very nicely."
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Akṣayānanda: So Mahāṁśa Swami said: "What did he say?"
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Akṣayānanda: "I do not know." (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Who is he?
Mahāṁśa: Hariprasad's sons. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Mahāṁśa: Rai Krishan.
Prabhupāda: That is the disease.
Akṣayānanda: Yes.
Mahāṁśa: They just speak very big words so that the language looks very nice, but people don't understand a word what they are saying.
Prabhupāda: (Prabhupāda talks meaningless words, imitating the rascals) (laughter) They go on speaking like this. And people, "Oh, how amazing!" You simply give some grammatical form and talk all nonsense, people will appreciate it. Jugglery. This is called jugglery. The Māyāvādī paṇḍitas also do that. All the Māyāvādīs they are against me, because I am talking about Bhagavad-gītā as it is, and they screw their own meaning by jugglery of words. So they are all enemies.