Prabhupāda: ...you have to. This is not material. When you speak in spiritual connection this is spiritual.
Dr. Weir: You'd have to invent a new language really.
Prabhupāda: No. Why... the same language, the same language.
Dr. Weir: Well you won't get very far in any form of philosophy...
Mensa Member: (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: But the consciousness in which something is done denotes it. For instance, I could be sweeping the street. Someone would think, "Ah, I'm just a material street sweeper." But if I'm doing it for Kṛṣṇa it's a transcendental activity, it's a spiritual activity, not a material activity.
Dr. Weir: Ah, yes, but I mean, then you have a, if somebody else who's sweeping faster and better, you say that he's greater spiritually even if he's doing it...
Śyāmasundara: No.
Prabhupāda: No, the purpose must be spiritual, the purpose must be for Kṛṣṇa.
Śyāmasundara: So if we're speaking about Kṛṣṇa then our words become spiritual.
Dr. Weir: Yes, but I think if you're talking about spiritual things you mustn't try and quantify it.
Prabhupāda: Spiritual means it has no material qualification. Nirbandhaḥ kṛṣṇa-sambandhe yuktaṁ vairāgyam ucyate.