Prabhupada: The Polish Embassy is there near our Calcutta for seeing this business going on.
Tamala Krsna: Side by side. We are on the opposite business.
Prabhupada: (chuckles) Things are deteriorating everywhere.
Tamala Kṛṣṇa: Very quickly.
Prabhupada: So this will give impetus to Kṛṣṇa consciousness Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati (BG 4.7). Don't be disappointed. Kṛṣṇa will act through His movement and kill them, these demons. How it will be done, that you cannot know now, but it will be done. Let us remain true soldiers. That's all. And if they, if they fight . . . suppose we die in the fight. The fight means with vow, with determination, either to gain victory or die. Because it is fight against maya, why we shall be afraid of being killed? (chuckles) When there is fight, one must know that "Either I am going to be killed or gain victory." Jivo va maro va. Those who are devotees, either they live or they die—the same thing. While they live they are serving Kṛṣṇa; when they die they will serve Kṛṣṇa. Jivo va maro va. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti (BG 4.9). He goes to Kṛṣṇa. (laughs) So what is the loss? We are working for Kṛṣṇa, and if we die we go to Kṛṣṇa. So what is the loss? Same business.
Hari-sauri: No loss. There's just gain.
Prabhupada: Jivo va maro va: "Either you live or you die, it doesn't matter." And for butcher, ma jivo ma maro "Don't die, don't live. So long you are living, every morning you have to cut throat of so many. And if you die you shall go to hell and suffer for this cutting throat. So don't live; don't die." And for a devotee: "Live or die." And for prince, king's son, "Don't die." And for brahmacari . . . (break)
Tamala Kṛṣṇa: . . . all night.
Prabhupada: All night screaming. And they have to hear, the Indians.
Tamala Kṛṣṇa: Purposely.
Prabhupada: Because they know the Indian Hindus, they have got sentiment for cow killing.
Tamala Krsna: So why? Why . . .?
Prabhupada: They may go away.
Hari-sauri: He says every five years or so they move them to another area. They have to uproot everything and move somewhere else.
Prabhupada: Very badly treated, Indians. The blacks are still more badly treated.
Tamala Krsna: That government is going to be finished soon.
Prabhupada: When I had to go that Indian quarter in Johannesburg, at least ten miles by car through the darkness.
Brahmananda: Yes, it's all . . . the Indian quarters are far off.
Prabhupada: Still, they're prosperous. They have got car. They have got business. They have got factories. Although they are harassed in so many ways, still they are prosperous. They have got their shops and business house in Johannesburg, and they cannot remain there. They must go back. So that was a failure of Gandhi. Gandhi for twenty years agitated. General Smuts, he was the head at that time. And he was beaten. He was so much troubled. Once upon a time Gandhi was captured and beat so severely that he was going to die immediately. Some English South African friend, he saved him. So Gandhi's life from this side is a failure. He could not achieve any success there. Then he thought that, "I shall drive these Englishmen from my country." He came here in 1917.