Bahulāśva: In Īśopaniṣad you say: "The self-sufficient philosopher, that is Kṛṣṇa."
Dharmādhyakṣa: Also, should this college have men and woman, or just men?
Prabhupāda: No, why? Everyone. We have no such discrimination. But not cats and dogs. (laughter) Human being. Never mind what he is.
Bahulāśva: Śrīla Prabhupāda, in Māyāpur you were speaking about you wanted Māyāpur to become a college for the University of Calcutta?
Prabhupāda: No, why Māyāpur? Everywhere. The whole educational system should be changed.
Bahulāśva: We should take it over.
Prabhupāda: Not changed. At least this will remain as a departmental knowledge.
Bahulāśva: Yes.
Prabhupāda: It is not possible to make wholesale change, but at least let them accept this Kṛṣṇa consciousness as a departmental knowledge.
Bahulāśva: We were wondering if Ravīndra-svārupa could come and help on this project. Because if we can get established in Berkeley first . . . it's such a big university.
Prabhupāda: Yes, do that.
Bahulāśva: We could be respected everywhere else.
Prabhupāda: Do that. Whoever can help this.
Jayatīrtha: We need to have a certain number of Ph.D.'s, is it?
Bahulāśva: We need at least five.
Prabhupāda: Five Ph.D.'s?
Bahulāśva: Ph.D.'s to start.
Prabhupāda: Oh, we have got. We have got Ph.D.
Dharmādhyakṣa: We need five to be accredited. We don't need five to start, but to get accreditation.