Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: One thing though, people, they see that there's birth and death; they don't understand the purpose of the whole creation when they see that so many things are going on like this.
Prabhupāda: There is purpose. We have explained so many times. The purpose is that we have come here to enjoy, but this enjoyment is false. God has given us the chance to enjoy, to experience that this enjoyment is not good. It is simply suffering. It is not enjoyment. The plan is that he's given the chance to enjoy and experience that here there is no enjoyment and he's simply suffering. So when he comes to his sense, he again goes back home. The thief, he thinks that to live in the prison house is very good, "I haven't got to work, and I shall get my food and shelter." That is not . . . that is a false enjoyment. Outside the prison, that is enjoyment. If one thinks that, "I don't have to work; let me go to the prison house." Father wants that the sons should live in the family, but sometimes the son leaves the family and wants to enjoy independently. So he suffers. Jajīva bhoga-vāñchā kare pasati māyā kare jāpaṭiyā dhare.
Śukadeva: Some philosophers feel that this understanding of God actually is no more than simply a wish.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Śukadeva: They feel that it is no more than a wish. That it is just simply a desire.
Prabhupāda: What you are wish? You are also taking the chance, a wish that things must act like this. But that is not happening.
Śukadeva: It is just like a person who wants to turn all the metal in the world into gold. He may be wishing and desiring to turn everything into gold, but actually it is not possible. So therefore they say that we want to be protected against the onslaught of material nature. But actually that will never happen. So therefore they create God in this way. Or some person who wants to turn all the metal into gold, but actually it's not possible.